The Fear Of God

Originally posted by KellyJay
Hell is a place where God is going to put those unfit for His kingdom, it is
not a human idea but a divine one.

I disagree. It is the product of the human imagination, which has visited no darker place in its inception. But if it floats your spiritual boat, that's your prerogative.

Originally posted by FMF
I disagree. It is the product of the human imagination, which has visited no darker place in its inception. But if it floats your spiritual boat, that's your prerogative.

I didn't put it in scripture and I believe scripture to be inspired by God. You
can reject it if you wish, the truth of it will not change no matter what either
one of us says or does.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I didn't put it in scripture and I believe scripture to be inspired by God. You
can reject it if you wish, the truth of it will not change no matter what either
one of us says or does.
Kelly

It is your choice ~ and your choice only ~ to subscribe to it. There are many "scriptures" down through history, many superstitions, many mythologies. You cannot abdicate responsibility for the beliefs you just so happen to profess by talking about how it was someone else who wrote it.

Originally posted by FMF
It is your choice ~ and your choice only ~ to subscribe to it. There are many "scriptures" down through history, many superstitions, many mythologies. You cannot abdicate responsibility for the beliefs you just so happen to profess by talking about how it was someone else who wrote it.

You believe something because it is true not because it is exactly what you want it to be.

I believe that murderers kill people... do I now have responsibility for their crimes?

Ridiculous.

Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
You believe something because it is true not because it is exactly what you want it to be.

I believe that murderers kill people... do I now have responsibility for their crimes?

Ridiculous.

1. You believe something because it is true not because it is exactly what you want it to be.
Manifestly untrue as people can hold diametrically opposite beliefs.

2. I believe that murderers kill people... do I now have responsibility for their crimes?
No - you have responsibility for the belief that murderers kill people.

3. Ridiculous.
Your post is.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Hell is a place where God is going to put those unfit for His kingdom, it is
not a human idea but a divine one. It was created for the devil and his angels
and those that joined that rebellion and live lives of sin.
Kelly

This is interesting.
Why wouldn't a loving god put the rebellious angels and Satan somewhere nice? Somewhere they couldn't affect others but live their lives the way they wanted to. Like a Luxurious Penal Colony.

Seriously - why not?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
1. You believe something because it is true not because it is exactly what you want it to be.
Manifestly untrue as people can hold diametrically opposite beliefs.

2. I believe that murderers kill people... do I now have responsibility for their crimes?
No - you have responsibility for the belief that murderers kill people.

3. Ridiculous.
Your post is.

1.Manifestly untrue as people can hold diametrically opposite beliefs.

That they think are true, not necessarily because they want it to be true. My point stands.

2.You have responsibility for the belief that murderers kill people.

So then the act of beheading people being compared to the belief that unrepentant sinners will be tortured in hell for an eternity is not valid.

Still ridiculous.

Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
You believe something because it is true not because it is exactly what you want it to be.

I believe that murderers kill people... do I now have responsibility for their crimes?

Ridiculous.

I believe Hitler was a great man ... I believe fully in the cause of the Nazis ... I believe that those who were fairly punished in the firing pits or gas chambers transgressed against the great leader of Germany and suffered the only appropriate and possible punishments for such wickedness (being jews of course). I believe this because I trust in the wisdom of the great Adolf Hitler, I have faith that he would have led the human race to heights of greatness we can now only dream about.

I believe what I believe not because I want it to be true - but because it *IS TRUE*

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Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
You believe something because it is true not because it is exactly what you want it to be.

I believe that murderers kill people... do I now have responsibility for their crimes?

Ridiculous.

I don't dispute the fact that KellyJay believes that what he believes is "true". He believes that torturing billions of people for eternity is righteous, virtuous and just. These are his beliefs. He has responsibility for having these beliefs.

Originally posted by FMF
I have no religionist spiel or package to offer you. But I can say that "Fear of God" is not something that I concern myself with.

The Bible says that the fear of God is the fear of doing evil.

Do you fear committing evil FMF?

Originally posted by Agerg
I believe Hitler was a great man ... I believe fully in the cause of the Nazis ... I believe that those who were fairly punished in the firing pits or gas chambers transgressed against the great leader of Germany and suffered the only appropriate and possible punishments for such wickedness (being jews of course). I believe this because I trust in the wisdom o ...[text shortened]... or the majority of fundies on this board the point *will* go straight over their heads)[/hidden]

Agerg, I had no idea you were a skin head. 😲

Originally posted by whodey
The Bible says that the fear of God is the fear of doing evil.

Do you fear committing evil FMF?

I don't want to commit evil. I do not want to place myself outside the embrace of my family and my community and the society I live in by offending or harming them. I also fear Indonesian gaols.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't want to commit evil. I do not want to place myself outside the embrace of my family and my community and the society I live in by offending or harming them. I also fear Indonesian gaols.

No one wants to commit evil, however, people certainly enjoy the pleasures of life. Usually this comes down to pleasures stemming from sex and/or money. They then rationalize their behavior because they enjoy the pleasure over wanting to do "good".

It's like a scene in a mobster movie when right before they kill some poor sap they say, "It's nothing personal, it's just business".

Do you think gays should fear going into a bath house or a prostitute fear selling her body on the streets?

And lastly, have you ever committed an "evil" act? Are you without sin FMF?

Originally posted by whodey
...have you ever committed an "evil" act? Are you without sin FMF?

When I was a Christian I perceived some of my behaviour as "sin" but not any more. Now I categorize my actions, when applicable, as moral and immoral.

Originally posted by whodey
Do you think gays should fear going into a bath house or a prostitute fear selling her body on the streets?

No. Prostitution should be legalized/decriminalized and I do not have the same preoccupation you have with what homosexuals do. Harm no one. Deceive no one. Coerce no one. Striving to comply with these is moral behaviour to my way of thinking.