The Godhead (Trinity)

Originally posted by yoctobyte
A bemp for Galveston.

What's a "bemp"?

Originally posted by divegeester
What's a "bemp"?

I would think you English/Irish... etc, boys would know. Ever watch the Pink Panther? A bemp is an accented 'bump'. Peter Sellers said it.

Originally posted by JS357
Question for anyone: I'm curious about the historic chronological order of the various verses that relate to this controversy, and whether their target audience(s) at the time was/were more Jewish or more gentile. Is there any resource that concerns these questions?

The New American Standard Bible that I have has some historical information in front of each book. Both Ephesians and Colossians were believed to have been written in Rome about A.D. 60. when Paul was in prison and and these two letters were carried from Rome by Tychicus concurrently with the letter to Philemon. Ephesians is believed to have been wriiten first. There is no information written here on the mixture of Jew and Gentile of the churches there, but Paul believed that there was no longer any difference in Jew and Gentile for believers in Christ Jesus.

My belief is that these were mainly Gentile believers since Paul referred to himself as the apostle sent to the Gentiles.

For this reason I, Paul, am a prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles.

(Ephesians 3:1 NKJV)

Then He said to me, ‘Depart, for I will send you far from here to the Gentiles.’”


(Acts 22:21 NKJV)

Originally posted by Rajk999
What do you mean by all the same? Equal?

You should be careful of believing doctrines which contradict the Bible. Paul stated very clearly that God is the head of Christ, and Christ himself said that God is greater than him. You cannot therefore place them on equal footing.

Next there is the problem of creating your doctrines, then convincing yourself ...[text shortened]... eachings.

Do you think that believing is your version of the Godhead or Trinity is essential?

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Trinity. They are God (the Trinity). So how does one separate the importance of one over another. It is true that Jesus teaches us to go to the Father, always! And it is the Holy Spirit which draws us to Jesus and to the Father. It is to the Father that all emphasis is placed. It is to the Father that our ultimate goals should be reaching, and the fullness of our love should be given. But in the Greatness of all the Father is; the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit still have near equal footing.

Originally posted by yoctobyte
Recently I was discussing with a friend how nice it would be to have discussions that were based on mutual respect for one another vs. disdain and at times feeling the need to be 'right', at the others expense. The truth is everyone of us comes from different homes, has different parents, are exposed to different people, have been taught different things, ...[text shortened]... believe/understand the Godhead in a similar way, totally different? Thoughts, comments please.

I loved reading your thread, one of the best i've ever seen here.

I often describe the trinity as a candle. We know a lot of Jesus through the scripture. He is like the wax. Something that we can touch, see and smell. Jesus teaches us to see the Father, how we need to love the Father. Of the candle the Father is like the wick. Hidden inside the wax. "No one can go to the Father, but through me." Yet Jesus shows us a snippet of the Father. That little piece of the wick above the wax. And the Holy Spirit, the fire, that draws us to the Son, and ultimately to the Father.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Trinity. They are God (the Trinity). So how does one separate the importance of one over another. It is true that Jesus teaches us to go to the Father, always! And it is the Holy Spirit which draws us to Jesus and to the Father. It is to the Father that all emphasis is placed. It is to the Father that our ult ...[text shortened]... eatness of all the Father is; the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit still have near equal footing.

The Holy Bible says that upon being made flesh, Jesus humbled Himself to the point of death on the cross, but also longed to return to the glory he shared with the Father in the beginning. So after His resurection Jesus was given a name above all others, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow. Then before His ascension to the right hand of the Father, Jesus told His disciples, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

(Matthew 28:16-18 NKJV)

Originally posted by galveston75
Hi and thanks for your comments. I see you used one of my postings which is fine and appreciated.
From a person that does not believe in the trinity and have truly tried to even slightly comprehend the explinations I've heard for years and that have varied or changed with time, I still have not understood where they say the Bible teaches it.
As I've ...[text shortened]... e a bible truth it should have been there all along.

Anyway thanks and this is my comment...

I just want to point out that there are many mysteries within the bible that have not yet been unlocked.

An example: I've had some people tell me that the Jews were going to hell as they never accepted Christ. "No one can go to the Father, but through me." This view is somewhat skewed, as some have forgotten what Jesus is, versus who he is. John, chapter 1. Jesus is the Word of God that becomes flesh. So we have the Jews, who love God and His Word. The Jews are going through Jesus to the Father already.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
I just want to point out that there are many mysteries within the bible that have not yet been unlocked.

An example: I've had some people tell me that the Jews were going to hell as they never accepted Christ. "No one can go to the Father, but through me." This view is somewhat skewed, as some have forgotten what Jesus is, versus who he is. John, chapter ...[text shortened]... ave the Jews, who love God and His Word. The Jews are going through Jesus to the Father already.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(1 Timoty 3:16 KJV)

Originally posted by yoctobyte
I would think you English/Irish... etc, boys would know. Ever watch the Pink Panther? A bemp is an accented 'bump'. Peter Sellers said it.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Edit: by the way, good luck with the cat herding.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Trinity. They are God (the Trinity). So how does one separate the importance of one over another. It is true that Jesus teaches us to go to the Father, always! And it is the Holy Spirit which draws us to Jesus and to the Father. It is to the Father that all emphasis is placed. It is to the Father that our ult ...[text shortened]... eatness of all the Father is; the son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit still have near equal footing.

I have no problem with people using the word 'Trinity' although its not in the Bible its just that I dont use it. I try to stick to what is clearly stated in the Bible. So I agree with all that you say here.

The Bible is clear that God is above all. Christ is under or subservient to God.

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, .. the head of Christ is God.

John 14:28 .. I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Hence they cannot be equal or the same. Same in purpose and of one mind, Yes .. not the same entity.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I have no problem with people using the word 'Trinity' although its not in the Bible its just that I dont use it. I try to stick to what is clearly stated in the Bible. So I agree with all that you say here.

The Bible is clear that God is above all. Christ is under or subservient to God.

[i]1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, .. the head of Christ i ...[text shortened]... they cannot be equal or the same. Same in purpose and of one mind, Yes .. not the same entity.

RJ and you both missed a word in my statement "near" equal footing. But not equal.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
RJ and you both missed a word in my statement "near" equal footing. But not equal.

🙂 .. Nope I didnt miss it. I did not repeat it because I cannot remember where the Bible says that. I know Christ was made a little lower than the angels and then promoted to somehwere under God, but close to God.

Originally posted by yoctobyte
I would think you English/Irish... etc, boys would know. Ever watch the Pink Panther? A bemp is an accented 'bump'. Peter Sellers said it.

I lol'ed. 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Whether God is made more attractive i cannot say, what I can say is that atheists are more likely to be rational and objective and unaffected by religious bias than many nominal Christians for it appears to me that religious bias has clouded the minds of nominal Christians to such an extent that they are unable and unwilling to think rationally. The ...[text shortened]... sheer volume of irrelevant remarks during recent discussion has confirmed this incontrovertibly.

Again, it's only irrelevant to you, because it disagrees with you.

Originally posted by galveston75
Then you give it a try......but without the usual insults. Such a model christian attitude you continue to display.

I don't need to "give it a try", I think he's got the gist of it correctly.

And I got his later example, but because you have your own dogma, you couldn't see what he was saying, that's all.