The Holy Ghost is back on the scene.

@KellyJay said
Thing is God speaks truth and we only occasionally recognize it, so we think the issue is with God, not us.

It's clearly interpretive. Even religionistas who claim to hear God talking and who say he always speaks truth aren't clear on exactly what he's saying.

@PettyTalk said
Once the Lord has pulled the wool over the sheep's eyes, who is able to lift it?

But humans love the wool. It doesn't come from God, who has said let those with eyes see and those with ears hear. But humans do love the wool because it lets them believe whatever they want to believe.

@Suzianne said
Yes, well, if I may, I would suggest that for you, an atheist (I assume), coming in here saying "it's all BS" is like some anarchist (or "koala raper" ) going into Debates and saying all the political discussion "is all BS".

It's venting, is all. Not likely to change any minds.

Nothing on an internet forum changes minds.

Once you realise that, the world becomes your oyster.

@shavixmir said
Nothing on an internet forum changes minds.

Once you realise that, the world becomes your oyster.

But that does not mean that you can't reach people.

The world IS my [and your] oyster. Just because you have to look harder, doesn't mean you can't find pearls.

What I mean to say is, just because it is a LOT of BS, it is not ALL BS. One simply must "show discernment".

@Suzianne said
It's clearly interpretive. Even religionistas who claim to hear God talking and who say he always speaks truth aren't clear on exactly what he's saying.

A reason to speak humbly but not one to shy away from speaking the truth in love.

@Suzianne said
But humans love the wool. It doesn't come from God, who has said let those with eyes see and those with ears hear. But humans do love the wool because it lets them believe whatever they want to believe.

The Word speaks for itself. God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent. And yes, even the wool over our eyes is God's doing. He causes everything.... ALL of it.

I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things. ---- Isaiah 45

@PettyTalk said
The Word speaks for itself. God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent. And yes, even the wool over our eyes is God's doing. He causes everything.... ALL of it.

I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is ...[text shortened]... eate darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things. ---- Isaiah 45

So what is your point here? And when did God's Holy Spirit leave the scene? Was it Easter weekend with a paid holiday for us? You said: "back on the scene". So when was God's Holy Spirit away or off the scene?

@PettyTalk said
The Word speaks for itself. God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent. And yes, even the wool over our eyes is God's doing. He causes everything.... ALL of it.

I am the Lord, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is ...[text shortened]... eate darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things. ---- Isaiah 45

( God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent.)
Who sowed the tares among the wheat?
So, God caused Adam and Eve to fall? Did God cause Cain to murder his brother Abel ?
("The Word speaks for itself."😉 )
These questions should be easy then.

@KingDavid403 said
( God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent.)
Who sowed the tares among the wheat?
So, God caused Adam and Eve to fall? Did God cause Cain to murder his brother Abel ?
("The Word speaks for itself."😉 )
These questions should be easy then.

( God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent.)
Who sowed the tares among the wheat?
[Matthew 13:24-30 NKJV] 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 "but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 "But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 "So the servants of the owner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28 "He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, 'Do you want us then to go and gather them up?' 29 "But he said, 'No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 'Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "

@KingDavid403 said
So what is your point here? And when did God's Holy Spirit leave the scene? Was it Easter weekend with a paid holiday for us? You said: "back on the scene". So when was God's Holy Spirit away or off the scene?

Reference to the holy Ghost being back on the scene was an inside Club joke, referring to Duke of a Ghost, since he had told us that he was no longer participating in the public forums.

@KingDavid403 said
( God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent.)
Who sowed the tares among the wheat?
So, God caused Adam and Eve to fall? Did God cause Cain to murder his brother Abel ?
("The Word speaks for itself."😉 )
These questions should be easy then.

As expressed by the Ghost, what of "everything" don't you get?

@KellyJay said
A reason to speak humbly but not one to shy away from speaking the truth in love.

What you mean to say is the 'truth' as they see it.

@PettyTalk said
Reference to the holy Ghost being back on the scene was an inside Club joke, referring to Duke of a Ghost, since he had told us that he was no longer participating in the public forums.

When you take a private joke public, it is no longer a private joke.

@KingDavid403 said
( God causes everything to happen, whether good, bad, or indifferent.)
Who sowed the tares among the wheat?
[Matthew 13:24-30 NKJV] 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 "but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 "But when the grain had sp ...[text shortened]... er together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." ' "

You hare not exempt from having plenty of wool pulled over your eyes.

The idea that the Creator of the ALL, an Omnipotent, all-knowing, and all-present God has an enemy, is the most ridiculous of them all.

Wait till you get completely sheared with the rest of the sheep, then perhaps, God willing, you will be able to see the truth of it all.

@Suzianne said
When you take a private joke public, it is no longer a private joke.

It was rather obvious to anyone following these forums, weather private clubs, or public, which is open to all who care to see.

It was an inside joke for attentive eyes who use reason to sharpen their eyesight.