The Jesus Question

Originally posted by @divegeester
I and the father are one
John 10:30

Anyone who has seen me, has seen the father
John 14:9

Pretty clear by Jesus himself.

Jesus said that he and his disciples are also one.
Does that make the disciples = Christ?
I dont think so.

Not pretty clear as you claim

Originally posted by @rajk999
The is a completely different matter of why society does not accept the teachings of Christ. Many accept him with their mouth, and then proceed to change his doctrine and sideline his commandments

Chaney3’s history here is one of asking questions to stir the proverbial pot. He’s had all of these answers previously.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
it doesn't seem fair to blame him for being confused by all the nonsense that Christians espouse. He simply doesn't know who to believe. Hopefully eventually he'll decide to believe the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.

The thumbs down queen is around...😀

Originally posted by @divegeester
Chaney3’s history here is one of asking questions to stirring the proverbial pot. He’s had all of these answers previously.

Oh yes .. I remember well.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus said that he and his disciples are also one.
Does that make the disciples = Christ?
I dont think so.

Not pretty clear as you claim

Yes it is. It just doesn’t say what you want it to say.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Peter's reply was "Messiah, and Son of God".

Neither of those is in line with Jesus being God.

Do accept that in John 1 Jesus is described as God?

Originally posted by @divegeester
Jesus is Jehovah God incarnate, the veil of flesh, the invisible God made visible, the king of kings, the alpha and the omega and his name is exalted above all other names.

Your difficulties are not exclusive to you, try not to worry about full understanding if it eludes you. God knows a person’s heart.

That was a wonderful post.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Peter's reply was "Messiah, and Son of God".

Neither of those is in line with Jesus being God.

What do you make of the Gospel of John chapter 1 and Hebrews chapters 1 and 2?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
[b]Neither of those is in line with Jesus being God.

Exactly the point[/b]

What do you make of the Gospel of John chapter 1 and Hebrews chapters 1 and 2?

If Jesus was just a man, as you apparently believe, by what authority did He have to say how one enters heaven? Because He said He had that authority?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Jesus never made these claims Himself.

Yes, He did.

Originally posted by @divegeester
They are all in the bible, but if you do not want to take the bible as your source and prefer to just focus on the documented words of Jesus then you have an extremely limited pool as Jesus didn’t write any of the bible himself and his words in it are relatively few.

Your problem therefore is your choice of source material. Decide what material you want to accept as being the truth and go from there.

All the best with it.

That was a wonderful post,

Originally posted by @divegeester
Chaney3’s history here is one of asking questions to stir the proverbial pot. He’s had all of these answers previously.

He isn't stirring the pot as much as telling other people they are wrong after asking for the opinion. This is why I responded as I did.

Originally posted by @eladar
He isn't stirring the pot as much as telling other people they are wrong after asking for the opinion. This is why I responded as I did.

I get the impression he is interested in finding out what Jesus actually said about himself or the closest thing to that.
What John said, what Isaiah said, what the pastor said, etc etc is not the question

Originally posted by @rajk999
I get the impression he is interested in finding out what Jesus actually said about himself or the closest thing to that.
What John said, what Isaiah said, what the pastor said, etc etc is not the question

Correct.

God = God

God does not = Messiah
God does not = Son of God
God does not = Son of Man
God does not = Word

I don't think Jesus clearly revealed His identity, and I'm curious why modern society is making bold claims when Jesus didn't do it Himself.

Also: Jesus could have corrected Peter, but He didn't.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I get the impression he is interested in finding out what Jesus actually said about himself or the closest thing to that.
What John said, what Isaiah said, what the pastor said, etc etc is not the question

What Jesus said?

John 8

Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.