The Neck of the Giraffe

@ghost-of-a-duke said
@KellyJay

'The Design Argument is probably the most popular argument for the existence of God. Even a nonreligious person may look at the world, so complex and beautiful, and decide it must have been created by somebody very smart and powerful. Voltaire and Thomas Jefferson thought religions were absurd, but even they thought there must have been some kind of Creat ...[text shortened]... all-good god. Our world looks like the work of Congress.'


http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=2520

Thus preserving your free will to choose the concept that everything has a Creator or that there was no Creator.

@dj2becker said
Using pre-existing genetic information that is already there. So what?

No, mutations change the genetic code.

Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

@kazetnagorra said
No, mutations change the genetic code.

Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Using pre-existing genetic information that is already there. So what?

@dj2becker said
Using pre-existing genetic information that is already there. So what?

It changes what was there before. Hence it was not pre-existing.

@kellyjay said
I have seen it said that they acknowledge life looks to be designed but they claim
it isn't,

Most of this thread is about life NOT looking like it is designed!

I cannot think why anyone without an agenda would think life is designed.
It very clearly is not.

@kazetnagorra said
It changes what was there before. Hence it was not pre-existing.

Not at abio-genesis there was nothing before yet the code was written.

You are also not telling it as it is when we start introducing new forms, if life for
example started and moved up to a cell, however that was done. The physical new
forms that are seen as common today like eyes, hearts, arms, legs, skin, bark, leafs,
wings, teeth, beaks, and so on, these would all be new from the starting point of
a single cell. There would be nothing to draw upon, nothing to tweak into the
necessary alterations for the new forms and necessary requirements.

@kazetnagorra said
It changes what was there before. Hence it was not pre-existing.

Generic information has never been demonstrated to emerge from a chemical soup by chance and arrange itself into useful code without intelligent intervention. It is absurd to believe that is possible.

@dj2becker said
Generic information has never been demonstrated to emerge from a chemical soup by chance and arrange itself into useful code without intelligent intervention. It is absurd to believe that is possible.

Nobody is asserting that.

@kellyjay said
Not at abio-genesis there was nothing before yet the code was written.

This discussion was NOT about abiogenesis.

@wolfgang59 said
This discussion was NOT about abiogenesis.

Doesn't matter, the new forms present the same problem as abiogenesis,
something new that has never been seen before don't just happen. A new
feature/piece of equipment you add to your computer like a scanner, or headset
all must have code that causes them to perform. It is no different in life, a new
form must be made, its function must be directed. Multiple new things must
always happen all at once, or its useless and can cause grave damage, even very
deadly damage.

You cannot grow a neck and not feed all the various parts to keep them alive, and
they all must work together with the previous features, all the while not ruin what
was there before. Even very small changes cannot just happen, it is not as
simplistic as some would have us believe.

@kellyjay said
Doesn't matter, the new forms present the same problem as abiogenesis,
something new that has never been seen before don't just happen.

Yes it does.
There isn't another one of you or I is there?

@wolfgang59 said
Yes it does.
There isn't another one of you or I is there?

New instructions, new information, in order to do new functions. Be it at the beginning these new commands have issues, and they get progressively worse as time would roll on, as the amount of what could go wrong increases.

@wolfgang59 said
Yes it does.
There isn't another one of you or I is there?

You are quite right too, there isn't another you or I, so these instructions have to
be written and obeyed over and over, even under going slight changes while
maintaining the whole. This is far more complex than a computer CPU, or any other
man made device.

@kellyjay said
You are quite right too, there isn't another you or I, so these instructions have to
be written and obeyed over and over, even under going slight changes while
maintaining the whole. This is far more complex than a computer CPU, or any other
man made device.

Hi KellyJay, how are you?

🙂