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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
This conversation has devolved into a festival of misreading, misinterpretation, distortion and impasse. Let's recess.
Yes when faced with the moral bankruptcy of your religion you should definitely run away and hide under a blanket.

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Don't blame God. He is not the cause of disasters, killing, etc.
Where is God When Tragedy Strikes?

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=534

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Originally posted by checkbaiter
Don't blame God. He is not the cause of disasters, killing, etc.
Where is God When Tragedy Strikes?

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=534
You have missed the point. Completely.

I don't blame god. God doesn't exist.

However when a person says that god can and does save people from disasters
and in fact chooses who will die in a disaster and that those deaths serve gods
purpose and will then that person is saying that those people who die in a disaster
deserved to die.

It is the absence of compassion and morality of that person, and not the god
they are imagining, that incurs my ire.

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Originally posted by googlefudge
Yes when faced with the moral bankruptcy of your religion you should definitely run away and hide under a blanket.
Not a "religion", googlefudge; it's a personal relationship. Impasse: I'm here for conversation. You're here to argue.

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Originally posted by googlefudge
You have missed the point. Completely.

I don't blame god. God doesn't exist.

However when a person says that god can and does save people from disasters
and in fact chooses who will die in a disaster and that those deaths serve gods
purpose and will then that person is saying that those people who die in a disaster
deserved to die.

It is t ...[text shortened]... ompassion and morality of that person, and not the god
they are imagining, that incurs my ire.
However when a person says that god can and does save people from disasters
and in fact chooses who will die in a disaster and that those deaths serve gods
purpose and will then that person is saying that those people who die in a disaster
deserved to die.

He does not choose, there is much more you do not understand. He is "limited" in what He can do, due to free will. You are far from understanding the truth about His character in your assessment.
If you were really interested you would have read the article.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
each day is a blessing was posted in another thread by UzumakiAi
and he added in parentheses "in a secular sense". I agree with him.
Each day is a blessing but we have no-one to thank.

Recently we (my family) have taken to thanking the FSM, tooth fairy or
other random "deity" at meal times to remind ourselves how lucky we are
and not to ...[text shortened]... our comfortable lives for granted.

Any other atheists got their own way of dealing with this?
So you have been thanking things you don't believe in? Perhaps this explains your arguing things you don't believe here and elsewhere on RHP? Removing your head from your posterior is the first step for you in dealing with this.

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Not a "religion", googlefudge; it's a personal relationship. Impasse: I'm here for conversation. You're here to argue.
Half right.
GF is here to argue (when he sees such crap).
And you - most definitely - are not here for conversation.

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Originally posted by joe beyser
So you have been thanking things you don't believe in? Perhaps this explains your arguing things you don't believe here and elsewhere on RHP? Removing your head from your posterior is the first step for you in dealing with this.
If you had half a brain you would understand what I mean. The thread is
about being thankful for what one has. The problem, as an atheist, is I
have nobody to thank.

I hope that is clearer to you.

Now go pray for better manners and more brain cells.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
If you had half a brain you would understand what I mean. The thread is
about being thankful for what one has. The problem, as an atheist, is I
have nobody to thank.

I hope that is clearer to you.

Now go pray for better manners and more brain cells.
You have FSM, tooth fairy, and random deities to thank. You said it earlier. If you are an atheist then the thought of thanking someone would not have entered the neurological network of your diseased mind. Come on now are you confessing to be a little agnostic? Don't get all defensive just answer up.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Half right.
GF is here to argue (when he sees such crap).
And you - most definitely - are not here for conversation.
Thank you.

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Originally posted by joe beyser
You have FSM, tooth fairy, and random deities to thank. You said it earlier. If you are an atheist then the thought of thanking someone would not have entered the neurological network of your diseased mind. Come on now are you confessing to be a little agnostic? Don't get all defensive just answer up.
Oh dear it really was too difficult for you wasn't it?

I AM NOT THANKING IMAGINERY BEINGS

I am just being THANKFUL.

Thankful for my family, my food, my house, my health and after
reading your post extremely thankful for my intellect.

And just out of curiosity when did you last read a book?

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Oh dear it really was too difficult for you wasn't it?

I AM NOT THANKING IMAGINERY BEINGS

I am just being THANKFUL.

Thankful for my family, my food, my house, my health and after
reading your post extremely thankful for my intellect.

And just out of curiosity when did you last read a book?
Why don't you just thank yourself for being so smart all on your own?

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
each day is a blessing was posted in another thread by UzumakiAi
and he added in parentheses "in a secular sense". I agree with him.
Each day is a blessing but we have no-one to thank.

Recently we (my family) have taken to thanking the FSM, tooth fairy or
other random "deity" at meal times to remind ourselves how lucky we are
and not to ...[text shortened]... our comfortable lives for granted.

Any other atheists got their own way of dealing with this?
Why bother at all?

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Originally posted by divegeester
Why bother at all?
To remind myself that the petty inconveniences of my life are nothing
compared to all the good fortune I do have.

To remind my son that most children of the world do not take 3 meals
a day for granted.

To remember those less fortunate than me.

... and it really is not so much of a bother ...
...... why would you think it was?

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There are other problems with atheism, one simply needs to ask the question, of what benefit is it? If I adopt atheism, how will I and others be benefited and the answer is not entirely clear.

For the Christian by way of example can point towards a set of guiding principles, an exemplar, the Christ, a morality, a Christian one which acts like a beacon for his or her life, what has the atheist? naught but an inner moral compass which may or may not be functioning and which has as its guiding principle naught but the self, inexperienced and prone to aberration. When asked for a moral stance he must enter into the murky world of moral relativism, where mere opinion is the currency or seek to establish his stance on the ever shifting sands of what is morally fashionable. Each one to their own is the cry!

One is entitled to ask, what sense of purpose does it offer the adherent? what hope? what comfort? how will it help the initiate to transcend themselves? and dear friends I tell you truly the answer is not entirely clear just what benefit atheism bestows upon its standard bearer and why one should adopt it.

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