The reason atheist promote Evolution

Originally posted by twhitehead
And I think you are practising mind reading and have never actually hear anyone make any such claim. I think you have heard arguments similar to that regarding the origin of life, and didn't understand them.

[b] But evolution is either intelligently designed or is miraculous, if it is true.
And you are welcome to have that opinion. But do not conf ...[text shortened]... nce that it happened, and if something happened then it is, within the realm of probability.[/b]

If you agree that man exists then where did he ultimately come from?
Science has no evidence and no explanation that makes sense to me.
So until it does, I will believe in the Holy Bible, which provides the most
reasonable explanation and one that a child can understand.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I have looked from 4:00 to 5:20 and so far it doesn't support your claim in the slightest. Was it supposed to, or are you playing the old 'sidetrack' game?

I have looked from 4:00 to 5:20 and so far it doesn't support your claim in the slightest. Was it supposed to, or are you playing the old 'sidetrack' game?

Concerning first the Multiverse video (so as not to get confused)

Yes it does. Multiverse is a proposed answer to problems of evolutionary devlopment that may be seen in THIS universe.

No, that is not exactly saying that ALL the OTHER universes did not see evolution produce humanity. In that sense the submitted video is a variant of my original charge.

But the basic idea of the multiplicity of universes as a SOLUTION to statistical obstacles hampering Evolution coming out most favorably for us is there.

SO what does the speaker suggest ? We find a way to jump over to an essentially "lucky" alternative universe where those obstacles were overcome.

Bottom line = Some Evos appeal to the MULTIVERSE to overcome improbability issues confronting the most favorable evolutionary development.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
this is quiet wrong. the fossil evidence show a lot more than that. it shows that there has been at least 5 mass extinctions in the past where a large number of species died off, large number of new species evolved only to die off again in the next extinction event. the fossil record supports the theory of evolution.

this is quiet wrong. the fossil evidence show a lot more than that. it shows that there has been at least 5 mass extinctions in the past where a large number of species died off,

AGREED, that mass extinctions took place. That is what is proved by the fossils.

large number of new species evolved only to die off again in the next extinction event. the fossil record supports the theory of evolution

That is SPECULATIVE interpretation. That is what is not proved. Relationships of descent is not proved.

Maybe true. Maybe not.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I have looked from 4:00 to 5:20 and so far it doesn't support your claim in the slightest. Was it supposed to, or are you playing the old 'sidetrack' game?

What I got from viewing this video is that according to Quantum Mechanics,
there is one universe in the multiverse, no matter how improbable it may
seem, that GOD EXISTS. We are in that universe. HalleluYah !!!

Originally posted by jaywill

I have looked from 4:00 to 5:20 and so far it doesn't support your claim in the slightest. Was it supposed to, or are you playing the old 'sidetrack' game?

Concerning first the Multiverse video (so as not to get confused)

Yes it does. Multiverse is a proposed answer to problems of evolutionary devlopment that may be seen in THIS uni ...[text shortened]... E to overcome improbability issues confronting the most favorable evolutionary development.

I'm guessing you missed my question, so i'll post it for the third time -

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by evolutionary biologists?! I ask because in all my discussions on this forum with people who don't accept evolution none of them have ever read a book on the topic.

Also, what do you think the odds are for the God you believing in existing? By that i mean, it's a favourite argument from creationists to point to the 'odds' of evolution occurring. But what are the odds of your God existing?!

Originally posted by jaywill
I don't need to make up explanations I have heard, explanations to defend Evolution. There are those who put plenty of those ideas out there.

Finding exactly the one I heard may be something I will not take the time to track down again.

Well at least have the decency to say so before wasting my time wasting my time by referring me to a video that does not support your claim.

But the previous video is a variant of the same idea. And what idea is it ?

Basically, that multiple universes is an answer to statistically improbable biological events .

In the video I submitted for evidence of the concept the speaker argues for what one might call a "lucky" universe in which humanity has developed. And if there is a PROBLEM we just have to find a way to jump to ANOTHER "lucky" universe where things will have turned out well for any obstacles in THIS universe.
And I think you are being over inventive in claiming that this is in some way related to evolution being supposedly improbable or that the people proposing multiple universes are doing to because they think evolution is improbable.

I think you have a knitpicky way of looking for exact phrases I use as an excuse to protest that the discussion did not support my charge.
And I think you have a way of presenting as evidence things that sound similar to your claim but do not mean the same in the slightest.

You fail to show that "I mind read" the concept of a "lucky" universe in a world assembly of universes in the "multiverse" is suggested to offer some hope in statistical problems facing the Evolutionary process.
And you failed to show that you had any valid reasons whatsoever for thinking that the multiverse concept is suggested to offer some hope in statistical problems facing the Evolutionary process.

ie. "IF we run into survival issues we will have to JUMP to one of these other universes where things luckily turned out the way we NEED them to."
That does not support your claim.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you agree that man exists then where did he ultimately come from?
Science has no evidence and no explanation that makes sense to me.
So until it does, I will believe in the Holy Bible, which provides the most
reasonable explanation and one that a child can understand.

Science has no evidence and no explanation that makes sense to me.

And how many science books have you read on this topic?

Answer - none.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Science has no evidence and no explanation that makes sense to me.
So until it does, I will believe in the Holy Bible, which provides the most
reasonable explanation and one that a child can understand.

That is not true. You do not understand sciences explanation because you don't want to understand it because you want the Biblical explanation to be true. And the Bible does not provide explanations, it provides stories that pose as explanations but to not really explain very much at all.

Originally posted by twhitehead
The previous one did not support your claim. Is this one going to? I will only bother watching it if you reply in the affirmative. If you do, and I watch it and it does not support your claim, I will accuse you of lying. Choose wisely.

I know you said that you have a slow internet connection and it makes
watching videos difficult, so I will sum up this video in one sentence.

Since evolution is a "miracle" it is evidence for the existence of God.

Originally posted by RJHinds
What I got from viewing this video is that according to Quantum Mechanics,
there is one universe in the multiverse, no matter how improbable it may
seem, that GOD EXISTS. We are in that universe. HalleluYah !!!

Well then, accepting that conjecture, your god cannot be omniscient can he? Otherwise it would be in ALL universes.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I know you said that you have a slow internet connection and it makes
watching videos difficult, so I will sum up this video in one sentence.

Since evolution is a "miracle" it is evidence for the existence of God.

Which video is that? And what point are you trying to make?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm guessing you missed my question, so i'll post it for the third time -

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by evolutionary biologists?! I ask because in all my discussions on this forum with people who don't accept evolution none of them have ever read a book on the topic.

Also, what do you th ...[text shortened]... o point to the 'odds' of evolution occurring. But what are the odds of your God existing?!

What is your recommendation for a Good book on evolution that I could
check out at the library. I don't want to have to buy or read any book by
the liar, Richard Dawkins.

Originally posted by RJHinds
What is your recommendation for a Good book on evolution that I could
check out at the library. I don't want to have to buy or read any book by
the liar, Richard Dawkins.

Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne is a good one Ron. It was published in 2009 so it is up to date.

Originally posted by twhitehead
That is not true. You do not understand sciences explanation because you don't want to understand it because you want the Biblical explanation to be true. And the Bible does not provide explanations, it provides stories that pose as explanations but to not really explain very much at all.

We definitely have different world views for I see the theory of evolution
as only posing an explantion, while the Holy Bible provides a complete
explantion that even a child should be able to understand. God created
the heavens and the earth and the plants and the animals and provide
the plants and the animals with the ability to reproduce themselves. And
I see all the so-called evidence that science has produced for evolution as
more proof that the Holy Bible is true.

Originally posted by RJHinds
.... while the Holy Bible provides a complete explantion that even a child should be able to understand.

Well then its remarkable that not one single Christian has been able to explain it to me, let alone a child.

God created the heavens and the earth and the plants and the animals and provide
the plants and the animals with the ability to reproduce themselves.
I hope you don't think that sentence is 'a complete explanation' because it isn't. The Bible largely just states that God did something, it doesn't explain how he did it, and in many cases doesn't explain why.