The reason atheist promote Evolution

Originally posted by twhitehead
Which video is that? And what point are you trying to make?

You have a short memory. It is the one that you told jaywill that you
would not bother watching about 4 hrs ago. So I have saved you the
trouble.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne is a good one Ron. It was published in 2009 so it is up to date.

Okay, I will check to see if it is in our local library. Thanks.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm guessing you missed my question, so i'll post it for the third time -

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by evolutionary biologists?! I ask because in all my discussions on this forum with people who don't accept evolution none of them have ever read a book on the topic.

Also, what do you th o point to the 'odds' of evolution occurring. But what are the odds of your God existing?!

I'm guessing you missed my question, so i'll post it for the third time -

On books on Evolution ? It has been a while since I read a book dedicated to that one subject and no other, from cover to cover.

I tend to read articles.

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by evolutionary biologists?!

Yes. But I will not say from cover to cover. I selected topics of interest.

e in all my discussions on this forum with people who don't accept evolution none of them have ever read a book on the topic.

Someone gave me one which I began to read and underline things of real interest. I think it was on "The Mystery of Life".

Looking around for it now in my office, I do not see it.

Also, what do you think the odds are for the God you believing in existing?

I am going to try to say this with as much politeness and respect as possible.
But I honestly believe that the person who says God does not exist, IMO, has some kind of mental problem.

I mean if he REALLY, SINCERELY believes that in his heart of hearts. People will SAY a lot of things to other people.

Talking about the odds of a Supreme Source and Governor of all creation not existing are nill in my mind.

I had my problems with religion in the past. I don't recall ever being at least some kind of Deist or Pantheist.

i mean, it's a favourite argument from creationists to point to the 'odds' of evolution occurring. But what are the odds of your God existing?!

I received Jesus. That was the night God really became real to me.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Well at least have the decency to say so before wasting my time wasting my time by referring me to a video that does not support your claim.

[b]But the previous video is a variant of the same idea. And what idea is it ?

Basically, that multiple universes is an answer to statistically improbable biological events .

In the video I submitted for luckily turned out the way we NEED them to."
That does not support your claim.[/b]

Well at least have the decency to say so before wasting my time wasting my time by referring me to a video that does not support your claim.

Both videos supported my claims. And in my responses to you I never anticpate any kind of agreement from you. They are for others to decide.

You are likely to make some glib comment about quote mining, or info being too old, or some other excuse.

I expect from you knee jerk disagreement on general principle. Have for years.

Originally posted by jaywill

I'm guessing you missed my question, so i'll post it for the third time -

On books on Evolution ? It has been a while since I read a book dedicated to that one subject and no other, from cover to cover.

I tend to read articles.

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by e ...[text shortened]... ing?!

I received Jesus. That was the night God really became real to me.

I really and sincerely don't believe in any kind of god, god's deity, or the supernatural.
I am not just saying this to annoy you.

I can't understand people who do believe and likewise think that they have a 'mental problem'
as you put it.

The problem being they believe in something truly, spectacularly unbelievable without any kind of proof
or evidence. And then get upset and confused when I don't join in this belief with them.

The 'god of the bible' or the god of Christianity is an unbelievably powerful being.

In fact it is the ultimately powerful being, as in its not possible to be more powerful.
There is nothing this being can't do and no law of physics they have to obey.

There is absolutely no evidence in the world around us that beings with anything like that kind
of power exist.

Basically the god you believe in is the least plausible being you could possibly devise and yet
despite no evidence whatsoever that there is anything that indicates the existence of such a
being or anything coming remotely close you find it odd that anyone would not believe in him.


The reason I think there is something wrong with the way your thinking is that you have completely
abandoned all logic and reason and rational thinking in order to believe in this being with no proof.

I can't understand how it is that you do that, or why on earth you would ever want to.

Science and reason are much more useful, in fact I can find no utility at all in religion.
Religion has nothing that can't be done better by something else and there are many things religion
doesn't do at all. And many things to which the belief in religion is counter productive.

For me the chances that your god exists are unquantifiable, but hover around the zero mark.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Well then, accepting that conjecture, your god cannot be omniscient can he? Otherwise it would be in ALL universes.

Does it really matter to you whether or not God is omniscent? If I accepted
this ridiculous theory of Quantum Mechanics and Multiverses, then as long
as I am in the universe that God exists I am happy. And since I see all the
evidence that God exists, then you must be in the wrong universe and you
better accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Well then its remarkable that not one single Christian has been able to explain it to me, let alone a child.

[b]God created the heavens and the earth and the plants and the animals and provide
the plants and the animals with the ability to reproduce themselves.
I hope you don't think that sentence is 'a complete explanation' because it isn't. The ...[text shortened]... od did something, it doesn't explain how he did it, and in many cases doesn't explain why.[/b]

You don't have the need-to-know or the proper security clearance.

Originally posted by jaywill
Both videos supported my claims.

The first one you posted, at the point you referred me to, did not support your claim in the slightest. It had a guy saying that in a multi verse scenario, the human race is destined to be exterminated in some universes and to live on in others.
It said nothing whatsoever about evolution being considered improbable by the speaker, nor did it suggest in any way that the speaker was considering the multiverse theory in order to explain the existence of improbable events - specifically evolution.
If you continue to claim that it supports your initial claim then please explain how it does so. I specifically want to see where it leads to the following conclusions that you made:
1. That some scientists believe evolution is highly improbable and that they see that as a 'problem'.
2. That the multiverse theory was developed as a response to this supposed 'problem'.

Originally posted by jaywill

I'm guessing you missed my question, so i'll post it for the third time -

On books on Evolution ? It has been a while since I read a book dedicated to that one subject and no other, from cover to cover.

I tend to read articles.

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by e ...[text shortened]... ing?!

I received Jesus. That was the night God really became real to me.

It has been a while since I read a book dedicated to that one subject and no other, from cover to cover.

Would it be fair to say your knowledge of evolutionary evidence is limited and not up to date?

I think it was on [b]"The Mystery of Life"[/b]

I had a look for that book and it seems to be a book on abiogenesis and not evolution. It's also 25 years old and written by an Intelligent Design advocate.

But I honestly believe that the person who says God does not exist, IMO, has some kind of mental problem.

I am going to try to say this with as much politeness and respect as possible, your thoughts above are reciprocated. 😀

Originally posted by twhitehead
Well at least have the decency to say so before wasting my time wasting my time by referring me to a video that does not support your claim.

[b]But the previous video is a variant of the same idea. And what idea is it ?

Basically, that multiple universes is an answer to statistically improbable biological events .

In the video I submitted for luckily turned out the way we NEED them to."
That does not support your claim.[/b]

Good idea to let forum participants decide for themselves.

And I would suggest that they start by asking themselves about the title of the video:

"Multiverses Ensures Survival of Humanity"

How and why does the multiverse ensure survival of humanity ?

What does the narrator say about an "infinite number of parellel universes" as far as favorable events in history are involved.

ie. Whether Nepolean won a battle? ie. Whether Al Gore won a presidency (sorry he didn't), ie. whether or not YOU were born ?

What is the significance of the showing of dice being thrown in the video? Does it imply problems of chance, probability, luck ?

At the Quantum Cafe why is the waitress hesitant that she can deliver a glass of orange juice to the customer ?

What is that meant to signify?

Why does the customer say that there is only a particular probability that he will get his orange juice ?

Why does the customer say that there is no reason to be disappointed if he does not get his orange juice at the Quantum Cafe ?

The next speaker talks about the theory of many alternate universes existing. The speaker says he finds it a compeling theory because of WHAT ? Why does he find it a compeling theory ?

"Because ... " fill in the exact quotation if you will.

With some sense of humility the speaker continues. Starting from 4.04 minutes is where the speaker explains the "promising" implications of the multiverse.

Why does the speaker make a comparison between us being in one of many galaxies and us living in one of many universes ? Why does he make this comparison ?

What is the basis for the speaker's optimism that that human race will survive into the 22nd century and beyond ? Why does he say that this positive expectation is inevitable ?

What is the speaker's answer for the problem of the slim chance that man will survive ?

Acccording to the speaker what is the advantage to Evolution that the Multiverse holds ?

Why does the speaker say that Evolution will reach its full potential somewhere ?

Why does the speaker talk about escaping this universe to another "alternate universe" ?

What is his answer for the obstacles of human survival as it relates to an "alternate universe" ?

"Multiuniverses Ensure Survival of Humanity"

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Do some evolutionists appeal to the multiverse as an answer to the problems of the slim probability of Evolution reaching a most favorable outcome ?

Does the video argue for that or not ?

Originally posted by jaywill
Do some evolutionists appeal to the multiverse as an answer to the problems of the slim probability of Evolution reaching a most favorable outcome ?

Does the video argue for that or not ?

Quite clearly not, based on your own summary. But as usual, instead of admitting your error, you wish to try and drown us in long posts that don't support your case.

Now try to answer these yes/no questions:\
1. Does the video in question state or suggest in that evolution is improbable.
2. Does the video in question state or suggest that the multiverse theory has been devised in order to explain the supposed improbability in 1?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Quite clearly not, based on your own summary. But as usual, instead of admitting your error, you wish to try and drown us in long posts that don't support your case.

Now try to answer these yes/no questions:\
1. Does the video in question state or suggest in that evolution is improbable.
2. Does the video in question state or suggest that the multiverse theory has been devised in order to explain the supposed improbability in 1?

I said let the participants view and decide for themselves.

If you are trying to impress me that you have a little more clear minded analysis about the content of that video, I'm not going to be impressed.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
And?!

This thread is about evolution. So what if Anthony Flew 'converted' to deism, he still accepts the evidence for evolution. I fail to see what this example is supposed to show?!

On a side note, have you ever read any books on evolution, by that i mean books written by evolutionary biologists?! I ask because in all my discussions on this forum with people who don't accept evolution none of them have ever read a book on the topic.

And?!

This thread is about evolution. So what if Anthony Flew 'converted' to deism, he still accepts the evidence for evolution. I fail to see what this example is supposed to show?!

Consider that the idea of the development of the biosphere as we see it with the assumption that there was NO intelligent design involved - is the Emporer with no cloths.

And Anthony Flew, world class academic Atheist, under the evidence of latter science, had to come to a conclusion that intelligence is behind this development. He has to move from Atheism to some kind of supreme Mind of intelligence behind the development of life.

You should be happy for him.

He noticed that the emporer had no cloths so to speak.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
I do hold there being a FIRST man and a FIRST woman.

why is there a need to have been a first man and woman? why can't they be a metaphor? a symbol of the first humans that stopped being monkeys and picked up a rock and shape it in a tool? the first humans that made a spear, made fire? refused to run when a predator tried to eat one of their own and ins ection?"
I do. You can't. because you refuse to think for yourself.

I do. You can't. because you refuse to think for yourself.

If I don't agree with you, I am not thinking for myself ?

I cannot BUT think for myself. Things like the human reproductive system don't happen without intelligence.

Richard Dawkins informs us "Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." - The Blind Watchmaker, pg 1.


Thinking for myself, I think there is the appearance that these organisms have been made for a purpose because they indeed have been.

It happens that the revelation of The Bible teaches the same.

Originally posted by jaywill

I do. You can't. because you refuse to think for yourself.

If I don't agree with you, I am not thinking for myself ?

I cannot BUT think for myself. Things like the human reproductive system don't happen without intelligence.

Richard Dawkins informs us [b] "Biology is the study of complicated things that give th ...[text shortened]... se they indeed have been.

It happens that the revelation of The Bible teaches the same.

if you don't agree with me while ignoring my reasonable arguments and presenting illogical unproven "arguments" to support your stance, then indeed you are not thinking for yourself, you are merely presenting another's stance