The reason atheist promote Evolution

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Why don't you go and read what he actually says?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew

In 2004, however, he announced on a DVD titled “Has Science Discovered God?” that research on DNA and what he believed to be inconsistencies in the Darwinian account of evolution had forced him to reconsider his views. DNA research, he said, “has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved.”

In “There Is a God” he explained that he now believed in a supreme intelligence, removed from human affairs but responsible for the intricate workings of the universe. In other words, the divine watchmaker imagined by deists like Isaac Newton, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.

From The New York Times

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Why don't you go and read what he actually says?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Flew

That is where I got this information:

In late 2006, Flew joined 11 other academics in urging the British government to teach intelligent design in the state schools.

In 2007, in an interview with Benjamin Wiker, Flew said again that his deism was the result of his "growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientists that there had to be an Intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical Universe" and "my own insight that the integrated complexity of life itself – which is far more complex than the physical Universe –can only be explained in terms of an Intelligent Source." He also restated that he was not a Christian theist.

Originally posted by RJHinds
My first impression I received from reading "Why Evolution Is True", by Jerry
Coyne is from his Preface indicating his anxiety over an evolution case in
Pennsylvania. If evolution is a proven fact why would Jerry Coyne be worried
about whether or not a statement was read to students that referred them to
another source for a different opinion. It sounds dmits he is not a master of evolutionary biology and
apologizes in advance for any errors.

He also admits he is not a master of evolutionary biology and apologizes for any errors. This makes me wonder what will be true and what will be error of what I will be reading.

What planet are you on Ron? How can you possibly read the preface of the book and come to that conclusion?! It beggars belief!!!

Jerry Coyne, as it has on the opening page of the book, is a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago, where he specialises in evolutionary genetics. He has taught evolutionary biology for 25 years. What more do you want?!


As for the supposed errors he says (as i have a copy of the book) -

Any book on evolution biology is necessarily a collaboration, for the field enfolds areas as diverse as paleontology, molecular biology, population genetics, and biogeography; and no one could ever master them all. I am grateful for the help and advice of many colleagues who have patiently instructed me and corrected my errors.

How can you possibly read that and and come to the conclusion you have. He is saying the errors have been corrected by specialists in that particular field.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is where I got this information:

In late 2006, Flew joined 11 other academics in urging the British government to teach intelligent design in the state schools.

In 2007, in an interview with Benjamin Wiker, Flew said again that his deism was the result of his "growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientists that there had ned in terms of an Intelligent Source." He also restated that he was not a Christian theist.

So where is the evidence that he rejected evolutionary theory as you said?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]He also admits he is not a master of evolutionary biology and apologizes for any errors. This makes me wonder what will be true and what will be error of what I will be reading.

What planet are you on Ron? How can you possibly read the preface of the book and come to that conclusion?! It beggars belief!!!

Jerry Coyne, as it has on the openin ...[text shortened]... e conclusion you have. He is saying the errors have been corrected by specialists in that field.[/b]

He said right there He was not a master of evolutionary biology and needed
help from others to correct his errors. He also says quote "I apologize to those whose names have been inadvertently omitted, and exculpate all but myself for
any remaining errors. So for any errors that his specialists did not correct
he is taking responsibility for.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So where is the evidence that he rejected evolutionary theory as you said?

Must I keep repeating everything like a Parrot? Don't you have a brain
to think for yourself. The evidence is what he said on the video, The New
York Times article of his statement on Darwinism, and his support for
Intelligent Design in the schools, and his belief in a God as the designer
like Einstein, etc. This is an opposite world view of what the theory of
evolution requires. Does he actually have to come right out and say
he does not believe in evolution for you to get it?

http://www.sciencefindsgod.com/blog/2006/02/has-science-discovered-god.html

Originally posted by RJHinds
Must I keep repeating everything like a Parrot? Don't you have a brain
to think for yourself. The evidence is what he said on the video, The New
York Times article of his statement on Darwinism, and his support for
Intelligent Design in the schools, and his belief in a God as the designer
like Einstein, etc. This is an opposite world view of what the ...[text shortened]... r you to get it?

http://www.sciencefindsgod.com/blog/2006/02/has-science-discovered-god.html

You can believe in intelligent design and accept evolutionary theory. There are many different interpretations of what intelligent design is.

Flew accepted evolutionary theory, what he rejected was how the first reproducing organism came to be. He believed a designer must be involved (i have added the bold) -

"It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism."

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#n03

Nothing about rejecting the whole of evolutionary theory. He converted to deism after all, not theism.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You can believe in intelligent design and accept evolutionary theory. There are many different interpretations of what intelligent design is.

Flew accepted evolutionary theory, what he rejected was how the first reproducing organism came to be. He believed a designer must be involved (i have added the bold) -

[quote]"It has become inordinately dif ...[text shortened]... about rejecting the whole of evolutionary theory. He converted to deism after all, not theism.

Deism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You can believe in intelligent design and accept evolutionary theory. There are many different interpretations of what intelligent design is.

Flew accepted evolutionary theory, what he rejected was how the first reproducing organism came to be. He believed a designer must be involved (i have added the bold) -

[quote]"It has become inordinately dif ...[text shortened]... about rejecting the whole of evolutionary theory. He converted to deism after all, not theism.

I think it would be good for you if you read all the information on that
last website you provided the link to.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Deism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

So what? I would not expect a long time atheist to convert to Christianity
that quick. It took him long enough to become a deist. Christianity is
another big step for a man like that who wants solid proof for everything.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Deism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

Here is a scientist that has also converted from atheism to believing in
God and even as far as claiming to be Christian, however he still has
a hard time getting Darwinism and evolution out of his system.
His name is Francis Collins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins

YouTube

As scientific discoveries uncover the truth, there will be less and less
reasons to believe in evolution and more reasons to believe in God.
And the only God that makes sense will be the God described in the
Holy Bible.

Originally posted by RJHinds
As scientific discoveries uncover the truth, there will be less and less
reasons to believe in evolution and more reasons to believe in God.

Its always fun to use as an argument, your own unconformable claims about future events. I can, for example state categorically that you will convert to atheism 5 years from now when you finally see the light. So, in light of this, why don't you just convert now?

Of course, we cannot genuinely predict the future, all we have is trends based on the past, and the current trend is that scientists are becoming more and more atheist and more and more likely to accept evolution as fact. We also have thousands of creationists making the same claim you have for the past 100 years, and all of them have proven to be wrong so far.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think it would be good for you if you read all the information on that
last website you provided the link to.

I've read it thanks.

Is it still your position that Flew rejected all evolutionary theory?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Here is a scientist that has also converted from atheism to believing in
God and even as far as claiming to be Christian, however he still has
a hard time getting Darwinism and evolution out of his system.
His name is Francis Collins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34p3kKwKIEQ

As scientific discoveries ...[text shortened]... believe in God.
And the only God that makes sense will be the God described in the
Holy Bible.

I started a thread on Francis Collins in 2007

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=77215&page=1

There are a number of other threads on RHP talking about him.

I have also read his book, The Language of God, in which he explains evolution extremely well and very effectively critiques the shortcomings of the Intelligent Design hypothesis.

As I said at the start of the thread above, "This is an intelligent, educated, logical scientist, well versed in the scientific method, who firmly believes in one particular religion for what appears to be entirely emotional and cultural reasons."

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Atheist Frank Zindler said,

‘The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is ...[text shortened]... e general population to accept evolution as ‘fact’, it will be the death of (real) Christianity.

What?
Evolution doesn't exist?

Really?
How come the average Dutch male is now 30cm taller than in the 1960's?
How come people can be born with the syndrome of Down (different number of chromozones) when both parents don't have the syndrome?
How come a virus becomes immune to drugs?

Surely these are cases of evolution?