10 May 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerAnd that's what the Church recently pardoned him for, hundreds of years post mortem?
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
[b]Wasn't Galileo condemned for believing in a fact?
Originally posted by Ringtailhunter
He was condemned for believing in theory.
Neither. He was imprisoned for violating a disciplinary order he recieved for meddling in theology.
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10 May 05
Originally posted by ColettiUnicorns exist, but 'evolution' does not exist.
I'm saying that "existences" is irrelevant. God exists. The question should is whether a particular definition of God is real or imaginary.
Unicorns exist. Mars exists. Plant X which has never been observed by human minds exists. All things exists that can be defined either as real or hypothetical. The question is not is does thing A exist. The ...[text shortened]... .
Saying God exists is nothing more than saying that a particular definition of God is true.
Brilliant.
I'm done with this thread.
Nemesio
10 May 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI see. So, one person's observation of something is sufficient for that something to be a fact?
I see. So, one person's observation of something is sufficient for that something to be a fact?
How do you apply this to the contradictory Gospels, whose observations yield different conclusions about the stone and the angels at the tomb? Is each contradictory account factual by virtue of the observations reported therein?
If a deaf person g ...[text shortened]... s to a rock concert and reports that he observed no sound, does that mean the band didn't play?
An observation is fact - but it may not be considered a scientific fact. A Repeated independent observations would be scientific fact.
How do you apply this to the contradictory Gospels, whose observations yield different conclusions about the stone and the angels at the tomb? Is each contradictory account factual by virtue of the observations reported therein?
They do not contradict the truth that the gospels are conveying - that Christ was no longer in the tomb. Since the observations are not identical regarding the stone, the details regarding how the stone was moved is irrelevant to the gospel.
If a deaf person goes to a rock concert and reports that he observed no sound, does that mean the band didn't play?
Irrelevant. If several independent observations were made that the band played - then they in fact played. But it would be a matter of opinion whether what they played was "music."
10 May 05
Originally posted by NemesioQuit before you get in too deep. Wise choice. And ending it with a misleading statement is really good too.
Unicorns exist, but 'evolution' does not exist.
Brilliant.
I'm done with this thread.
Nemesio
All things exist - the TOE exists as a theory - that is not the issue. The issue is, is it s scientific fact.
10 May 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerThis is a shocking falsehood. The truth is this:
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
[b]Wasn't Galileo condemned for believing in a fact?
Originally posted by Ringtailhunter
He was condemned for believing in theory.
Neither. He was imprisoned for violating a disciplinary order he recieved for meddling in theology.
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The water in which Galileo found himself soon became even deeper. The special commission's report to the Pope outlined a series of indictments against Galileo. On September 15, the Pope turned the matter over to the Inquisition. Eight days later, the General Congregation declared--in what would come as a shock to Galileo--that he had violated the 1616 (so-called) injunction against teaching, holding, or writing about Copernican theory.
Copernican theory was, of course, that the Earth moved around the Sun. I am amazed that Lucifershammer would make such a statement: I assume he is sadly misinformed and tooooooo lazy to research it himself. The whole sad, story is at http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/galileoaccount.html.
10 May 05
Originally posted by no1marauderErr... sorry to rain on your parade, but isn't an "injunction against teaching, holding or writing" a disciplinary order?
This is a shocking falsehood. The truth is this:
The water in which Galileo found himself soon became even deeper. The special commission's report to the Pope outlined a series of indictments against Galileo. On September 15, the Pope turned the matter over to the Inquisition. Eight days later, the General Congregation declared ...[text shortened]... e sad, story is at http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/galileoaccount.html.