There's only one question worth answering.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
sorry i cant let this slide.

despite loving star wars (original trilogy only)and hating star trek (im using hate for dramatic purposes). the federation beat the borg...........the empire were defeated by ewoks, i rest my case.


sorry for the interruption on with the debate.

Ahem...

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Our creator isn't a half-wit.
He does things to perfection.
He created human beings
for relationship with Himself.
We have an eternal destiny.

That doesn't answer the question....

I asked How do you know that you will live anywhere after you die?

Which is a really simple question to which what you wrote is not an answer.

However.

1 How do you know there is a Creator?

2 How do you know that that creator is a he?

3 How do you know that 'he' does things to perfection?

4 How do you know that 'he' created human beings?

5 How do you know what he was thinking when he did it?

6 How do you know we have an eternal destiny?

Which brings me right back to...

0 How do you know that you will live anywhere after you die?


As an aid to you I will point out that no assertion on your part that you are right
actually constitutes a valid answer to the question of HOW you know you are right.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
We all have our shortcomings and peccadilloes.

There are those that try to do something about fixing their shortcomings.
And those that don't.

You appear to be the latter.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
HE sounds rather self absorbed.

I have come to the conclusion that you cannot convince him otherwise.

He has this picture in his head and that is what he wants to believe.
Fine. Maybe he's right. Who knows? I don't know.

But I was taught to examine things minutely. Search for evidence and hard facts.
Facts which cannot be converted or overturned. It is facts which determine our lives
past and present. Absolutely nothing can contradict facts.

Facts tell us how things work and how certain actions were done.
Facts can prove truth and smash lies.
Facts can demonstrate how crimes were committed and indeed
who may have committed them.
Facts can prove DNA links to family lines, objects and events.
Facts can even predict to a certain degree how events might progress
or how people might act in the future.

In short, rational examination and reasoned debate can achieve results.

Religion is based on superstition and has no facts.
Religion has divided this world and all it's people for thousands of years.
Religion demands absolute compliance or else it's excommunication or disfellowship
Religion is corrupt and has only one master......................money.
Religion has no love for human kind only misery does it offer.

Islam believes in the spread of their religion by the sword.
Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible.
Buddhists believe in reincarnation.
The protestant religion is divided
eg: Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Anglicans etc.

The Jews don't believe that Jesus was the messiah,
they are still waiting for their messiah.

So to sum up, Facts are what matter to me.
Facts can be nailed down and cannot be overturned.

Religion no matter what it's origin has no answers and only serves
to create more questions. Quoting religious verses written by humans
thousands of years ago does not solve the riddles of this life or any afterlife.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
HE sounds rather self absorbed.

"HE sounds rather self absorbed."

It's somewhat encouraging to see His Person referenced in the upper case (even though you may have done so in mock serious respect). It is we as human beings who share the 'Arrogance Skills': Self-Justification; Self-Deception; and Self-Absorption. He (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) possess Absolute Righteousness, Justice, Integrity and Immutability.
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Originally posted by googlefudge

That doesn't answer the question....

I asked How do you know that you will live anywhere after you die?

Which is a really simple question to which what you wrote is not an answer.

However.

1 How do you know there is a Creator?

2 How do you know that that creator is a he?

3 How do you know that 'he' does things
actually constitutes a valid answer to the question of HOW you know you are right.

There is no answer to any of your many questions that will satify you. You've apparently aborted your search for absolute truth. Consequently, you walk about with a tremendous vacuum in your soul (brain). You have come to believe your own deceptions. You no longer even know you've been deceived. You are a frustrated and tortured soul. How sad.
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Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
I have come to the conclusion that you cannot convince him otherwise.

He has this picture in his head and that is what he wants to believe.
Fine. Maybe he's right. Who knows? I don't know.

But I was taught to examine things minutely. Search for evidence and hard facts.
Facts which cannot be converted or overturned. It is facts which dete ...[text shortened]... humans
thousands of years ago does not solve the riddles of this life or any afterlife.

Your call.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Your call.

What kind of answer is that???

Are you able to use your own power of deductive reasoning
without reference to old wives tales?


You no more than anyone else can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
that there is a God or an afterlife.

Isn't that true?

Yes or no?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
There is no answer to any of your many questions that will satify you. You've apparently aborted your search for absolute truth. Consequently, you walk about with a tremendous vacuum in your soul (brain). You have come to believe your own deceptions. You no longer even know you've been deceived. You are a frustrated and tortured soul. How sad.
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No. You have that backwards.

I AM the one who is searching for the truth.

I AM the one who is trying to find out what is really going on.

I AM the one who is asking questions AND LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.

You are the one who has stopped looking for answers and are just making stuff up.


Your responses have been and are really pathetic.

Every time I ask for a reason for believing anything you believe (let alone evidence or, god-forbid actual proof)
You tell me I am not capable of understanding or have stopped looking or some such guff.

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED.

You simply assert your position as true, and give no reasons or evidence for anything.

Why should ANYONE think that YOU know what TRUTH is simply on YOUR say so?





Ok if there really WAS a god of the kind you believe in then they MIGHT be given some benefit of the doubt in their
claims about the nature of the universe because of their knowledge/powers/ect which gives them an advantage in
figuring this stuff out.

But given that I have no evidence that such a being exists. And even if there is YOU are not it.
YOU get absolutely no such benefits.

I am not about to believe you, and nobody else should believe you, when you make claims about the nature of the universe
without any justification or evidence whatsoever.




So I ask again.



"How do you know that there is an afterlife?"



If you can't demonstrate to me that you know that there is an afterlife then you do not by definition know that there is an
afterlife. Because the ability to demonstrate what you know to another person is a prerequisite of knowledge.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You are a frustrated and tortured soul. How sad.
.

I have no soul, frustrated or otherwise.

My life is fulfilling and neither empty nor tortured.

And generally the only thing that frustrates me is the stupidity of people doing or believing
things that are irrational and harmful... often to themselves.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
What kind of answer is that???

Are you able to use your own power of deductive reasoning
without reference to old wives tales?


You no more than anyone else can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
that there is a God or an afterlife.

Isn't that true?

Yes or no?

And again.

It has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that such things as god and souls and afterlives don't exist.

It's not just that it can be done, It HAS been done.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Your call.

Why haven't you answered my post above where I have spoken of facts?



FACTS!!!!!! Not gibberish.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]There's only one question worth answering.

It isn't what house or car to buy; nor is it coming up with some partial resolution to age old speculations about the age of the earth, the origin of man or the number of angels able to dance on the head of a pin. The only one that matters, in the scheme of human life, is where will I live once my time on earth has expired. That chapter begins the moment you die.
.[/b]

One question that requires a two part answer. In the first part you have a choice, in the second you do not. First part, do I believe that Jesus Christ is the only way of salvation, you may answer yes or no. In the second part you have no choice, you must say yes that I will accept the cosequences of my first decision.

Originally posted by kiki46
One question that requires a two part answer. In the first part you have a choice, in the second you do not. First part, do I believe that Jesus Christ is the only way of salvation, you may answer yes or no. In the second part you have no choice, you must say yes that I will accept the cosequences of my first decision.

Nailed!

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"HE sounds rather self absorbed."

It's somewhat encouraging to see His Person referenced in the upper case (even though you may have done so in mock serious respect). It is we as human beings who share the 'Arrogance Skills': Self-Justification; Self-Deception; and Self-Absorption. He (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) possess Absolute Righteousness, Justice, Integrity and Immutability.
.[/b]

"He (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) possess Absolute Righteousness, Justice, Integrity and Immutability."

says He.