There's only one question worth answering.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Ahem...

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

okay, i accept defeat. only because that guy knew far too much technical stuff to argue against, although i would note that several key things have been left out of his essay. anywhoo im all about the Culture, they could take on the Empire and Federation at the same time.

Originally posted by googlefudge
And again.

It has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt that such things as god and souls and afterlives don't exist.

It's not just that it can be done, It HAS been done.

Who did it and when? 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Who did it and when? 😏

The collective work of science over the 20th century.

Originally posted by googlefudge
The collective work of science over the 20th century.

They must have forgot to document these works as proof against such things as God and souls and afterlives existing. Your Evil-lution is showing. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
They must have forgot to document these works as proof against such things as God and souls and afterlives existing. Your Evil-lution is showing. 😏

No. It's just seldom said explicitly, in academic papers anyway... You get plenty saying it informally.

It's kind of like the fact that there are no scientific papers (or very few if there are) detailing the fact
that the earth is no flat and carried on the back of four elephants who are in turn standing on a giant
space turtle...

What you do get are papers on measuring the geode, the gravitationally 'flat' surface of the earth using
super sensitive satellite measurements.

The fact that we are measuring the Earth's geode implicitly tells you that the earth is not like the Discworld.

Similarly there are countless thousands (millions) of papers which look at the formation of the universe, the
laws upon which it operates, our evolutionary history, the biological and chemical workings of our bodies and
minds... And the evidence for all of the above.

What they are looking at is the way reality IS.

You don't get many people writing articles for journals pointing out that, for example, this proves that werewolves
don't exist.


There may not be any papers specifically saying "...and this demonstrates that there is no such thing as a soul..."
because god, souls, magic, the supernatural are all irrelevant to science.

God is not needed or useful in any of our equations. He/she/it/they add nothing to our explanations.
They make no predictions.

Science is a post religious discipline, god and the supernatural have no place in it.


The entire body of scientific work which demonstrates how the universe functions based on physical laws without any
intelligent intervention demonstrates that beyond all reasonable doubt. God souls and afterlives don't exist.





Think of it this way.

The scientific work that established that lightning is generated by friction between ice particles in a thunderstorm building
up charge differentials that eventually produce voltages in excess of the breakdown voltage of air causing a sudden and violent
discharge of energy... Do not explicitly say that this disproves the "Thor the intelligent thunder agent" hypothesis of lightning.

However it still does disprove the "Thor" hypothesis whether it says it does or not.



Science is working out how our brains, our minds, and the reality we live in ACTUALLY works.

Once we know the earth is a sphere we don't need to prove it isn't a cube (or any other shape).

Once we know the brain produces the mind and works according to the laws of physics and chemistry we don't need to prove that
it isn't magically animated by supernatural spirit energy.

Originally posted by googlefudge
No. It's just seldom said explicitly, in academic papers anyway... You get plenty saying it informally.

It's kind of like the fact that there are no scientific papers (or very few if there are) detailing the fact
that the earth is no flat and carried on the back of four elephants who are in turn standing on a giant
space turtle...

What you do g ...[text shortened]... eed to prove that
it isn't magically animated by supernatural spirit energy.

Perhaps it would be good for you to go back and look at all these scientific papers again and try to look at it from the point of view of one that believes in a Creator, souls, and an afterlife, and see if it is possible for one to interpret the information as proof for their existence. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Perhaps it would be good for you to go back and look at all these scientific papers again and try to look at it from the point of view of one that believes in a Creator, souls, and an afterlife, and see if it is possible for one to interpret the information as proof for their existence. 😏

It isn't.

Originally posted by googlefudge
It isn't.

Ha ha, Okay. 😀