This forum makes my eyes bleed.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
The principle known as "Occam's Razor" is more satisfactorily described by Occam himself as "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity". Considering the origins of the universe, life and ourselves, we have here two competing hypotheses; one of these involves the christian god, omnipresent, omnipotent and eternal, and the other does not. Clea ...[text shortened]... the miracle of creation, should such an entity and event exist and have taken place.

You say, "To suggest that the universe came about due to a miraculous 'creation' by an omnipotent, omnipresent and eternal being and that this is the 'simplest' explanation for our existence is, I am afraid, just asinine."

Given all the facts I know, I say that the most logical and correct conclusion will identify the Christian God as the cause of the universe and all that is in it. It is clear that the universe was created and designed to reveal the magnificance and glory of the Creator and Designer.

Even with their limited knowledge, scientist know of the tremendous power of our sun to generate hugh quanities of heat to warm our planet Earth and it is at the correct distance to support life. They know our lone moon plays a vital part in this and is also at the right distance. Their discovery of DNA and how it functions gives them proof of an intelligent designer, yet many of them refuse to accept the truth that is starring them in the face. I could go on and on with all the so-called coincidences that had to occur for even the simplest form of life to come into existence and would still miss many others.

But you could look it up for yourself, if you were really interested in knowing the truth. So you can continue to believe a lie if you wish, but I must warn you that you will have to face the consequences in due time.

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
You are a raving lunatic.

Raving? That is a little harsh don't you think?

Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
Ha! There are more than a few arrogant Christians Suzi Q. Arrogant, aloof, audacious, contemptuous, disdainful, high-handed, know-it-all, presumptuous, pretentious, puffed up, scornful, self-important peacocks of Jesus. I had to break open my Thesaurus to make sure I had this adequately covered.

Tell me this, who's the better man, the one that t ...[text shortened]... ly, that if you're not part of a Christians particular club/sect/church, you are an OUTSIDER.

You don't have to feel like an OUTSIDER anymore. There are many Christian churches that will welcome even a great sinner like yourself, if only you would confess your sins before them and repent of those sins.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by RJHinds
You say, "To suggest that the universe came about due to a miraculous 'creation' by an omnipotent, omnipresent and eternal being and that this is the 'simplest' explanation for our existence is, I am afraid, just asinine."

Given all the facts I know, I say that the most logical and correct conclusion will identify the Christian God as the cause of ...[text shortened]... if you wish, but I must warn you that you will have to face the consequences in due time.

What you believe to be the most 'logical and correct' has no relevance in this instance. An explanation which involves a being infinite in any capacity cannot but be more complicated than any explanation which does not posit such. This doesn't imply that the simpler, god-less model is true, or that the god-based one is false - it simply means that the principle of Occam's Razor cannot be said to favour the latter.

Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]Given all the facts I know, I say that the most logical and correct conclusion will ....

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Logic is not subjective.

As usual you bandy words about that you have no understanding of in support of preposterous supernatural beliefs.

And because you consistently do this, and consistently show yourself to be a fake, a fool and a liar, nobody is interested in what you have to "say".

AlleyPooYah 🙄

Originally posted by RJHinds
Scientist have already proven to themselves that the universe had a beginning. That is why they came up with the Big Bang Theory so they could dismiss God as the Creator.

why cant we have both? (iyo)

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't have to feel like an OUTSIDER anymore. There are many Christian churches that will welcome even a great sinner like yourself, if only you would confess your sins before them and repent of those sins.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!

sheeesh, are you trying to antogonize him more?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
What you believe to be the most 'logical and correct' has no relevance in this instance. An explanation which involves a being infinite in any capacity cannot but be more complicated than any explanation which does not posit such. This doesn't imply that the simpler, god-less model is true, or that the god-based one is false - it simply means that the principle of Occam's Razor cannot be said to favour the latter.

Perhaps this is another exception to the principle of Occam's Razor. 😏

Originally posted by wolfgang59
[b]Logic is not subjective.

As usual you bandy words about that you have no understanding of in support of preposterous supernatural beliefs.

And because you consistently do this, and consistently show yourself to be a fake, a fool and a liar, nobody is interested in what you have to "say".

AlleyPooYah 🙄[/b]

I must have hit a nerve, since you don't know how to use logic. 😏

Originally posted by karoly aczel
why cant we have both? (iyo)

I'm not no Guru. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
I'm not no Guru. 😏

I see you more as a plague, a thoroughly pestilent fellow.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't have to feel like an OUTSIDER anymore. There are many Christian churches that will welcome even a great sinner like yourself, if only you would confess your sins before them and repent of those sins.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Confess 'sins' for whom?

And while we're at it, at what point dies an imaginative, adventurous ,playful kid turn into a 'bad kid' ?
ARE YOU ONE THOSE THAT thinks KIDS ARE BORN EVIL?
Seriously!!
I can clearly see children being indoctrinated into the ways of this world-no matter how hard you try to hide it from them. They will grow up - I think that's a given,eh?

My method is to tell children stuff when they ask you -especially if it's about 'important subjects'. AS much as parents dont want to talk about it, the kids will ask someone else.
Creating laws like you cant drink til your 18 (or 21 😛 in america's case), is not going to educate anyone.

My personal example is sex. My parents didn't tell us (me and my younger sister(3yrs) anything about sex. They figured we would find out about it in the playground.
It screwed my sex life up a bit and made sex seem like this really somehow important thing -which it is to most 15 yr olds. Meanwhile my sister had to run out of class and see the nurse when she started ovulating. How embaressing.
But hey, this was the only negative thing about my childhood, my parents ticked all the other boxes with flying colors " 🙂

Originally posted by RJHinds
I'm not no Guru. 😏

Pursuing a conversation/debate is like trying to shoot a crow across the street perched in the light pole - as soon as I bring the slingshot out on the balcony they just fly off. Not even any chance to aim or even put my arms into a shooting position.
6th sense you reckon? Do you have crows like that over there?

Try to throw a rock at it sometime - you'll find that you wont even get a shot in - much like trying to converse with you 🙂

And that's a compliment to crows

Originally posted by RJHinds
Perhaps this is another exception to the principle of Occam's Razor. 😏

There are no exceptions to the principle of parsimony, only failures in understanding it's application.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Pursuing a conversation/debate is like trying to shoot a crow across the street perched in the light pole - as soon as I bring the slingshot out on the balcony they just fly off. Not even any chance to aim or even put my arms into a shooting position.
6th sense you reckon? Do you have crows like that over there?

Try to throw a rock at it sometime ...[text shortened]... n get a shot in - much like trying to converse with you 🙂

And that's a compliment to crows

You really shouldn't shoot at crows Karoly. Shoot pigeons instead.