Thoughts on the Resurrection

Originally posted by twhitehead
Would you also concede that the amazement of the crowd after the sermon on the mount does not indicate that the message was not old rehash? It seems so as instead of arguing against it you looked for further evidence.

As for your further evidence it is far better than jaywills argument.

All indications from the narratives of the various speeches which resulted in audience amazement point to people hearing things they'd never heard previously.

Granted, there are many people throughout history who have self-proclaimed their personal greatness; none ever laid claim to divinity with the cache to back it up, as did the Lord Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by black beetle
The Athenians were definitely aware of similar (not identical to Paul’s) Eastern religious doctrines. Plato’s theory is full of similar approaches; also, at least since the time of Alexander the Great, the communication link between the West and the East was well established.

Furthermore, the historians Strabo and Nicolaus of Damascus note that the I ...[text shortened]...

Anyway, do you actually remember how did the Athenians reacted actually to Paul's gospel?

Anyway, do you actually remember how did the Athenians reacted actually to Paul's gospel?
Anyway, I actually do. Apparently the reaction of a person/crowd has little impact on lasting results.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]Anyway, do you actually remember how did the Athenians reacted actually to Paul's gospel?
Anyway, I actually do. Apparently the reaction of a person/crowd has little impact on lasting results.[/b]

Of cource, however this means not that the Athenians were "amazed". In fact, they were not.

Originally posted by black beetle
Of cource, however this means not that the Athenians were "amazed". In fact, they were not.

it was not the Athenians but the Corinthians who were truly amazed, they thought Paul and Barnabas were gods and wanted to sacrifice to them, 'Zeus and Hermes they were termed, Paul had to literally rip his garments and do a little crowd surfing to prove that he was but a mortal!

 And the crowds, seeing what Paul had done, raised their voices, saying in the Lycaonian tongue: “The gods have become like humans and have come down to us!” And they went calling Barnabas Zeus, but Paul Hermes, since he was the one taking the lead in speaking. 13 And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was before the city, brought bulls and garlands to the gates and was desiring to offer sacrifices with the crowds.

However, when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they ripped their outer garments and leaped out into the crowd, crying out  and saying: “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are humans having the same infirmities as you do, and are declaring the good news to you, for you to turn from these vain things to the living God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them.  In the past generations he permitted all the nations to go on in their ways,  although, indeed, he did not leave himself without witness in that he did good, giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling your hearts to the full with food and good cheer.”  And yet by saying these things they scarcely restrained the crowds from sacrificing to them.😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Of cource, however this means not that the Athenians were "amazed". In fact, they were not.

I guess when you live in a world of semantics, it's hard to see things clearly.

"Amaze" means to bewilder, or perplex. Clearly, the Athenians were amazed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it was not the Athenians but the Corinthians who were truly amazed, they thought Paul and Barnabas were gods and wanted to sacrifice to them, 'Zeus and Hermes they were termed, Paul had to literally rip his garments and do a little crowd surfing to prove that he was but a mortal!

 And the crowds, seeing what Paul had done, raised their voices, say ...[text shortened]...  And yet by saying these things they scarcely restrained the crowds from sacrificing to them.😵

Of course😵

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I guess when you live in a world of semantics, it's hard to see things clearly.

"Amaze" means to bewilder, or perplex. [b]Clearly, the Athenians were amazed.[/b]

We live in the same world but we see this world differently, and this is fine with me🙂

The Athenians remained quite indifferent. You are just not aware of their reactions when they were really "amazed", "bewildered" or "perplexed"😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Of course😵

i wonder if the same thing would happen to me if I went to Corinth today and declared my wisdom?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i wonder if the same thing would happen to me if I went to Corinth today and declared my wisdom?

lol 😀😀😀😀😵

Originally posted by black beetle
lol 😀😀😀😀😵

hey beetle dude i am digesting your wisdom on the spirituality in chess thread, to be sure it is water in a waterless land and a tall crag casting forth a shadow for the weary traveler to take some respite and reflect upon. BTW i am making some chess videos, that i may post on the net, if you have a particular game of yours that demonstrates a guiding principle or even its exception or that underscores some aspect, like the three pawns on a single file game against Ulysses then please forward, with full annotations if you have the time, that i may present it, in a worthy way, for the enjoyment and enlightenment of others! 😀 - regards Robbie.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hey beetle dude i am digesting your wisdom on the spirituality in chess thread, to be sure it is water in a waterless land and a tall crag casting forth a shadow for the weary traveler to take some respite and reflect upon. BTW i am making some chess videos, that i may post on the net, if you have a particular game of yours that demonstrates a guidi ...[text shortened]... resent it, in a worthy way, for the enjoyment and enlightenment of others! 😀 - regards Robbie.

Hey Rabbie,

I will soon try to play a game against Shamash and I will propose to him to have it annotated whilst I will annotate it too, and then we can post it to you in order to compare the procedure in full😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Hey Rabbie,

I will soon try to play a game against Shamash and I will propose to him to have it annotated whilst I will annotate it too, and then we can post it to you in order to compare the procedure in full😵

Oh! I just tried to PM Shamash and challenge him and I saw that he is banned;

Originally posted by black beetle
Oh! I just tried to PM Shamash and challenge him and I saw that he is banned;

oh beetle it is no good, his posts were excellent and his thoughts very welcome, perhaps he said something out of turn, who knows, but its no good, for i thought his suggestions reflected real experience and a love of chess, especially his book suggestions, i bought one or two on the strength of his recommendations, very sad, very sad indeed!:'(

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh beetle it is no good, his posts were excellent and his thoughts very welcome, perhaps he said something out of turn, who knows, but its no good, for i thought his suggestions reflected real experience and a love of chess, especially his book suggestions, i bought one or two on the strength of his recommendations, very sad, very sad indeed!:'(

Probably banned for engine use.

Edit: Despite his name-dropping of certain chess greats, there were suspicious posts, such as the one where he tried to tell people how to beat computers.

http://www.chessatwork.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=105136&page=2

Written in the tone of an expert, but there is so much obvious nonsense in it.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Probably banned for engine use.

Edit: Despite his name-dropping of certain chess greats, there were suspicious posts, such as the one where he tried to tell people how to beat computers.

http://www.chessatwork.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=105136&page=2

Written in the tone of an expert, but there is so much obvious nonsense in it.

yes in retrospect i can see what you mean, you're comment afterward was really telling, but probably too subtle for the uninitiated like me! oh great and illustrious Bobby, did you sacrifice your life for nothing? is it not about honesty, and truth, free from hypocrisy!😕