To our atheist friends

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there is also a justification for asking a person to refrain from adultery, it breaks up
families, or homosexuality, its unnatural, therefore Gods requirements are reasonable
on this basis.

That homosexuality is "unnatural" is your opinion, robbie. It is not "reasonable" to discriminate against homosexuals on the basis of your opinion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
perhaps it was simple misunderstanding, i cannot say, but if this is the best you have
got, so be it, i retract the statement.

So you are retracting your fib? Be clear.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You go first, explain to me why you think it's 'reasonable coercion'?

because its not tooo much to ask someone to remain faithful to their marraige partner,
to desist from sticking your willy where it was never designed to be put ( i have
already in previous encounters provided incontrovertible evidence that the anus is ill
suited to sexual intercourse) making the practice unnatural. Bestiality likewise.
therefore God requests are perfectly reasonable, now you will state, why they are not.

Originally posted by FMF
So you are retracting your fib? Be clear.

I dont call it a fib, but a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of your concerns,
regardless, i will retract any inaccuracy.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the Mosiac law was specific to the Israelites, my mistake was assuming that this was
understood.

What is understood, quite clearly, is that you moved the goalposts. So. anyway. Is it unreasonable to ask persons to refrain from adultery, homosexuality and bestiality because the Mosaic Law was specific to the Israelites? No, I don't.

Originally posted by FMF
That homosexuality is "unnatural" is your opinion, robbie. It is not "reasonable" to discriminate against homosexuals on the basis of your opinion.

the Bible terms it unnatural FMF, medical science has proven that the anus is not
designed for intercourse FMF, i did not make this up, its not of my own originality, these
are not my opinions.

Originally posted by FMF
What is understood, quite clearly, is that you moved the goalposts. So. anyway. Is it unreasonable to ask persons to refrain from adultery, homosexuality and bestiality because the Mosaic Law was specific to the Israelites? No, I don't.

No, if you can think of any other people who were under the mosiac law you might have
a case as it is, your merely attempting to drum up objections from the dust.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont call it a fib, but a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of your concerns,
regardless, i will retract any inaccuracy.

Which specific post was it in which you misunderstandingly thought that I had claimed God communicated with the Israelites and that I claimed it was reasonable for God to "ask" the Israelites to do something? Which post prompted your purported misunderstanding?

Originally posted by FMF
Which specific post was it in which you misunderstandingly thought that I had claimed God communicated with the Israelites and that I claimed it was reasonable for God to "ask" the Israelites to do something? Which post prompted your purported misunderstanding?

I do not know nor can i be bothered to go back and look.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because its not tooo much to ask someone to remain faithful to their marraige partner,
to desist from sticking your willy where it was never designed to be put ( i have
already in previous encounters provided incontrovertible evidence that the anus is ill
suited to sexual intercourse) making the practice unnatural. Bestiality likewise.
therefore God requests are perfectly reasonable, now you will state, why they are not.

I agree with you on the adultrey and beatislity aspect, of course it's not unreasonable to ask people to desist from these practises. But putting people to death?! Like you have said many times, we are after all only human and prone to aberration.

As for homosexuality, what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of mine, or yours or anybody elses business. To counter your anal sex premise, not all homosexuals in engage in anal sex and lesbians certainly don't.

Now, a Mosaic Law you have left out is the one concerning children who answer back at their parents. Do you think it was right that they were put to death?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I agree with you on the adultrey and beatislity aspect, of course it's not unreasonable to ask people to desist from these practises. But putting people to death?! Like you have said many times, we are after all only human and prone to aberration.

As for homosexuality, what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of mine, or your ldren who answer back at their parents. Do you think it was right that they were put to death?

No but i do think that its a reasonable request for children to be asked to be obedient
to their parents. The privacy argument is quite weak, making whiskey in ones home
is illegal, shall i tell the government that what goes on behind closed doors is none of
their business when the customs and excise man comes to inspect my still?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the Bible terms it unnatural FMF, medical science has proven that the anus is not
designed for intercourse FMF, i did not make this up, its not of my own originality, these
are not my opinions.

It is your opinion that homosexuality is "unnatural". Is it also the opinion of homosexuals? Is it the opinion of heterosexuals who are not prejudiced against homosexuals? I don't think we should be basing a system of discrimination against homosexuals on what you claim science has "proved" or on your admiration or subscription to Mosaic Law.

Originally posted by FMF
It is your opinion that homosexuality is "unnatural". Is it also the opinion of homosexuals? Is it the opinion of heterosexuals who are not prejudiced against homosexuals? I don't think we should be basing a system of discrimination against homosexuals on what you claim science has "proved" or on your admiration or subscription to Mosaic Law.

no, the Bible states that its unnatural, medical science has proven that sodomy is unnatural.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I do not know nor can i be bothered to go back and look.

Well, consider yourself busted on that one, robbie. I should be thankful that it took over ten pages for you to try it on like that, and that you'll think twice hereon in.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no, the Bible states that its unnatural, medical science has proven that sodomy is unnatural.

What relevance is the Bible to non-Christians and atheists, or to homosexuals who do not submit to Mosaic Law for that matter? "Medical science" has not declared homosexuality immoral.