To our atheist friends

Originally posted by RJHinds
Don't pay any attention to these atheists. I too believe there are
sexual acts that we should not do even if we have the freedom to
do them. I think I agree with you on more than you think I do.
The main disagreement I have with you is that you deny the Deity
of Christ and the resurrection of His body after three days and three
nights as He prophecied. I can not recognize you as a Christian as
long as you don't believe Christ.

But as long as you have the same intolerances as I do then I'll be nice to you. You and Dasa are almost okay in my book. LOL

You're a piece of work RJ.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The sooner the fundamentalist mindset is gone the better.

on the contrary, the sooner this a-moral meism is gone the better for everyone
involved, I mean it, the horror is too much. too many broken families, to many broken
hearts, but its ok, 'eat and drink for tomorrow we may die! Me, me me me me!

thank you, I will and you too, but remember, stay clean!

I don't know if your being disingenuous on purpose but the goal posts have been moved continually by you throughout this thread, starting from page one. Take my answer for example, it was specifically about homosexuality and here you are making it out as though i was talking about adultery?!

All the way through this thread, as has been pointed out by at least two posters, your questions have been answered but you don't like the answer so you have ignored it and changed the question. A classic 'Carobbie-ism' if ever there was one.

Now FMF posted this response at least twice and twice you failed to acknowledge it -

I think deception and betrayal can be considered immoral. Adultery has victims. It often does considerable harm. I think sex with animals and children is immoral because there can be no informed consent. Bestiality and paedophilia have victims. It does harm. I don't think adult, consensual homosexuality is immoral. Homosexuality doesn't have any victims and doesn't harm anyone.

What don't you agree with?!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I don't know if your being disingenuous on purpose but the goal posts have been moved continually by you throughout this thread, starting from page one. Take my answer for example, it was specifically about homosexuality and here you are making it out as though i was talking about adultery?!

All the way through this thread, as has been pointed out by doesn't have any victims and doesn't harm anyone.[/quote]

What don't you agree with?!

homosexuality has claimed zillions of victims, through sexually transmitted diseases
and a plethora of psychological problems and issues, the new morality has failed! You people need to make reference to scientific data to substantiate your claims, 'because i
think so', is not a reason at all, its an opinion and me, the humble theist needing to
remind you of this, the shame of it!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
homosexuality has claimed zillions of victims, through sexually transmitted diseases
and a plethora of psychological problems and issues, the new morality has failed!

Heterosexuality claims victims through sexually transmitted diseases too. Heterosexuals have a plethora of psychological problems and issues too.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
homosexuality has claimed zillions of victims, through sexually transmitted diseases
and a plethora of psychological problems and issues, the new morality has failed!

If something that leads to many deaths and psychological issues should be prohibited, then we must add religion to the list.

Originally posted by FMF
Heterosexuality claims victims through sexually transmitted diseases too. Heterosexuals have a a plethora of psychological problems and issues too.

predictable and vain, so what, the question is one of promiscuity, which, as we have
been told countless times by the heralds of the new morality is, both their right and
morally acceptable, heterosexual, homosexual or otherwise, i know i know, your little
world will scream and cry that your made of gold and cant be sold, that its perfectly
fine within the confines of a monogamous relationship, wrong, its unnatural, human
physiology should tell you that.

now i must go to the gym, to work off a few pounds shylock, you will be unhappy to
learn, but fret not, you'll get yours 🙂

Originally posted by Rank outsider
If something that leads to many deaths and psychological issues should be prohibited, then we must add religion to the list.

religion has saved millions of persons from poverty, prostitution, drug abuse, family
breakdown and a whole host of morally questionable issues, what has homosexuality
saved anyone from? do tell.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
predictable and vain...

Vain? I have drawn a little personal attack from you. Again. I must have said something you don't want to address. 😵

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
religion has saved millions of persons from poverty, prostitution, drug abuse, family
breakdown and a whole host of morally questionable issues, what has homosexuality
saved anyone from? do tell.

Homosexuality doesn't need to "save" anyone from the things you mention. You have now replaced the goalposts in one of the strangest places ever! 😉

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
homosexuality has claimed zillions of victims, through sexually transmitted diseases
and a plethora of psychological problems and issues, the new morality has failed! You people need to make reference to scientific data to substantiate your claims, 'because i
think so', is not a reason at all, its an opinion and me, the humble theist needing to
remind you of this, the shame of it!

As i have said before, I do not accept the premise that I have to prove that something is acceptable to justify it not to be prohibited. You have to justify why it should be prohibited.

You have offered no substantive reasons for why homosexuality should be banned other than a text written by men thousands of years ago to which I dont subscribe.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
religion has saved millions of persons from poverty, prostitution, drug abuse, family
breakdown and a whole host of morally questionable issues, what has homosexuality
saved anyone from? do tell.

When you have heterosexual sex with your wife, robbie, do you claim you are somehow saving her from "poverty" or any of the other things you list? What is it you want homosexuality to save anyone from?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
religion has saved millions of persons from poverty, prostitution, drug abuse, family
breakdown and a whole host of morally questionable issues, what has homosexuality
saved anyone from? do tell.

I raised the example of religion to point out the paucity of your reasoning. I didnt expect you to come back with an argument even weaker than the previous one!

Third time lucky, or will you go for the hat-trick?

Or will you answer the question I pose as to why homosexuality should be prohibited, without reference to the Bible.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...the question is one of promiscuity...

The question is one of promiscuity? Well, well. You have moved the goalposts yet again, robbie. 😵

I cannot be 100% sure what you are referring to when you mention "promiscuity". But I think deception and betrayal can be considered immoral, if that helps you to understand my view on "sexual morality".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
homosexuality has claimed zillions of victims, through sexually transmitted diseases
and a plethora of psychological problems and issues, the new morality has failed! You people need to make reference to scientific data to substantiate your claims, 'because i
think so', is not a reason at all, its an opinion and me, the humble theist needing to
remind you of this, the shame of it!

Sex full stop, regardless of anyones persuasion, has claimed zillions of victims through STD's and various other diseases. You're taking cherry picking to a new level here Rob. The reason why homosexuality has such associated psychological problems is because of religious wallies like you parroting on about how it's 'unclean' and 'immoral' and a 'sin' etc etc, all because some Bronze Age person wrote it down 3,000 year ago.

As has been pointed out numerous times on this board cardiovascular diseases will kill more people in the Western world than anything this year, now why are you not getting on the backs of those gluttonous fatties i wonder?!

Now, if you will, do you have a reason why you think homosexuality should be outlawed without saying 'because the Bible says so'?!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
predictable and vain, so what, the question is one of promiscuity, which, as we have
been told countless times by the heralds of the new morality is, both their right and
morally acceptable, heterosexual, homosexual or otherwise, i know i know, your little
world will scream and cry that your made of gold and cant be sold, that its perfectly
f ...[text shortened]... ork off a few pounds shylock, you will be unhappy to
learn, but fret not, you'll get yours 🙂

Out of interest, this means presumably that oral sex, as practised by a woman on a man, is against the will of God. After all, human physiology should tell you that......

If so, why doesn't the Bible also explicitly prohibit this? Could it be that the heterosexual male writers of the Bible werent so keen to transcribe this particular part of the word of God?

I wonder why?