30 May 14
Originally posted by PatNovakYeah, I see how some atheists could get this kind of behavior so mixed up with Christianity that they feel all theism is equally likely to be true.
This story just keeps getting worse and more bizarre. The husband of the stoned-to-death wife also apparently killed his first wife so he could marry the second one (the one who was stoned to death), for which he served ONE year in jail!?!
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/29/317160595/husband-of-woman-stoned-to-death-in-pakistan-killed-first-wife
No, not really.
30 May 14
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Originally posted by SuzianneI think this kind of thing may be older than Islam and was just encoded into it later because it was a cultural thing.
Yeah, I see how some atheists could get this kind of behavior so mixed up with Christianity that they feel all theism is equally likely to be true.
No, not really.
That doesn't excuse it or Islam for me. Murder is murder no matter what the rational.
The fact is, ALL religions were made up by men, well after they took over Minos, women were the top dogs there and men tried to emulate women, like even cutting their crotches to simulate menstruation.
After that it was pretty much male dominated which you see in the choice of the gender of the various gods. In the last 5000 years, mostly male.
Jesus is male, God is male in all three Abrahamic religions, and so forth.
Just saying all these religions were just codified attempts to control people and since men originated these religions, they made sure THEY would be top dogs this time and no more of this female domination like what went on in Minos.
So the cultural norms ended up codified in stone, a woman worth 35 shekels, a man 50, etc.
So they have no problem stoning a woman for adultery but putting the man in jail for a year, no doubt with nice easy treatment.
30 May 14
Originally posted by SuzianneWhy would the behavior of anyone affect the truth or untruth of a particular claim? Whether the members of a particular group are the best or worst people in the world hasn't even the slightest bearing on whether their claims are correct.
Yeah, I see how some atheists could get this kind of behavior so mixed up with Christianity that they feel all theism is equally likely to be true.
No, not really.
And on a separate note, I've never argued that all religions are equally bad.
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30 May 14
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Originally posted by ZahlanziWhy so aggressive. Jeez. If there are "a million honour killings" then why do you need the link to this particular one?
i may not live in your country
i may not get "your" news.
there a zillion honor killings in pakistan
i had no idea is recent
you didn't even posted a source in your original thread.
i asked a question. if you can't be bothered to answer, why did you bother with telling me you are not answering and to look it up for myself? even though i have no idea what the specifics are?
30 May 14
Honor killing is understandable only within cultural traditions which go back much farther in time than our own. It is a clan-based tradition thousands of years older than either Islam or Christianity. It dates to a pre-civilized era, by which I mean an era before civil authority has been widely established. The clan leader had responsibility for and authority over his extended family. This sort of thing was practiced up until the roman empire in western Europe, and even today in parts of the Balkans it survives. It died out where transfer of authority to civic institutions took firm root. Evidently this has not yet occurred in some remote valleys of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
30 May 14
Originally posted by PatNovakIf the religion in question supports or actively promotes such behaviour, and you consider the behaviour to be despicable, then yes, I think the behaviour may affect your view of the validity of the beliefs of that religion.
Why would the behavior of anyone affect the truth or untruth of a particular claim? Whether the members of a particular group are the best or worst people in the world hasn't even the slightest bearing on whether their claims are correct.
30 May 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadConsidering it was MEN who made the religion it stands to reason they, being misogynist, would set up the religion so women come out second best, more like cattle.
If the religion in question supports or actively promotes such behaviour, and you consider the behaviour to be despicable, then yes, I think the behaviour may affect your view of the validity of the beliefs of that religion.
Originally posted by divegeesterNo not really, I kind of understand everything, my question was rhetorical. I have a theory, my opus magnum, that atrocity of this kind only occurs when the conscience is deprived for some reason of its natural function or is diverted into justification of some violent act by being subject to some other guiding influence, in this case an act that is perceived to bring dishonor to a family.
You don't understand something?