05 Sep 12
Originally posted by galveston75Polite bump for RJHinds
But still you are not Catholic and do not go to the Catholic church and follow their every belief. So YOU posted their words that you have to be a Catholic to be saved.
So are they right or wrong? If they are right then you a dead man walking as you are not Catholic.
If they are wrong then they could very well be wrong on other scriptural matters whi ...[text shortened]... n hell".
Just the kind of burdens Jesus condemned of the religious leaders of his time....
06 Sep 12
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Originally posted by divegeesterFor those of you in this thread who would rather pick a fight with RJH than actually look something up:
No it doesn't say that at all; it says quite clearly that you have to be "Catholic" in order to go avoid hell. Are you a Catholic... Yes or No?
Here's the definition of catholic (notice the small c) from Dictionary.com:
cath·o·lic
[kath-uh-lik, kath-lik]
adjective
1. broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.
2. universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.
3. pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.
Origin:
1300–1350; Middle English < Latin catholicus < Greek katholikós general, equivalent to kathól(ou) universally (contraction of phrase katà hólou according to the whole; see cata-, holo-) + -ikos -ic
06 Sep 12
Originally posted by galveston75Did you EVEN notice the small fact that in the Creeds, it is "catholic" with a SMALL C?
But still you are not Catholic and do not go to the Catholic church and follow their every belief. So YOU posted their words that you have to be a Catholic to be saved.
So are they right or wrong? If they are right then you a dead man walking as you are not Catholic.
If they are wrong then they could very well be wrong on other scriptural matters whi ...[text shortened]... n hell".
Just the kind of burdens Jesus condemned of the religious leaders of his time....
You even blew off RJH when he tried to teach you cretins something.
See my other post above.
11 Sep 12
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
Now, I have yet to meet a little child who can fully understand, let alone perceive of, the Trinity Doctrine.
I reject the idea that one must embrace the concept of the Trinity in order to be saved, as this then becomes a matter of intellect, and being old enough to wrap your head around the idea. People with a below average IQ, and little children, would be automatically locked out of heaven.
11 Sep 12
Originally posted by sumydidWe are referring to the general belief requirements for adults that are accountable for their actions and decisions. These belief requirements are set forth in the 3 universal creeds of Christianity.
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
Now, I have yet to meet a little child who can fully understand, let alone perceive of, the Trinity Doctrine.
I reject the idea that one must embrace the concept of the Trinity in order to be saved, as this then becomes a matter of intell ...[text shortened]... ple with a below average IQ, and little children, would be automatically locked out of heaven.
11 Sep 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsthe 3 universal creeds, i am probably going to regret it, but here goes , what are they?
We are referring to the general belief requirements for adults that are accountable for their actions and decisions. These belief requirements are set forth in the 3 universal creeds of Christianity.
11 Sep 12
Originally posted by sumydida rather excellent observation and to RJBlinds premise that you need to embrace the
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
Now, I have yet to meet a little child who can fully understand, let alone perceive of, the Trinity Doctrine.
I reject the idea that one must embrace the concept of the Trinity in order to be saved, as this then becomes a matter of intell ...[text shortened]... ple with a below average IQ, and little children, would be automatically locked out of heaven.
trinity to be saved, rather damning.
11 Sep 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTHE THREE ECUMENICAL OR UNIVERSAL CREEDS
the 3 universal creeds, i am probably going to regret it, but here goes , what are they?
The Apostles' Creed
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic* Church, the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen.
* catholic means "universal" and is not a reference to the Roman Catholic Church.
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
The Athanasian Creed
Written against the Arians.
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three Eternals, but one Eternal. As there are not three Uncreated nor three Incomprehensibles, but one Uncreated and one Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties, but one Almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords, but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, There be three Gods, or three Lords.
The Father is made of none: neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son: neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before or after other; none is greater or less than another; But the whole three Persons are coeternal together, and coequal: so that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped. He, therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe faithfully the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is, that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man of the substance of His mother, born in the world; Perfect God and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood; Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but one Christ: One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking the manhood into God; One altogether; not by confusion of Substance, but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven; He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty; from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give an account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire.
This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.
11 Sep 12
Originally posted by RJHindsoh dear,
THE THREE ECUMENICAL OR UNIVERSAL CREEDS
[b]The Apostles' Creed
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; He descended into hell; the third day He rose ag ...[text shortened]... the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.[/b][/b]
11 Sep 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieJust a wild guess here, but I am guessing that by "universal", they don't mean you.
the 3 universal creeds, i am probably going to regret it, but here goes , what are they?
EDIT: Or any religion invented since the First Council of Nicaea, obviously.
11 Sep 12
Originally posted by RJHindsAgain, hummmm? Not ((((((( 1 ))))))))) scripture quoted here and no proof that any of this is backed up by the Bible.
THE THREE ECUMENICAL OR UNIVERSAL CREEDS
[b]The Apostles' Creed
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; He descended into hell; the third day He rose ag ...[text shortened]... the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.[/b][/b]