Truth .. JW Style

Originally posted by Conrau K
How disgusting is this?

[quote]It was night-time. The Supreme Court building had emptied hours before, except for the duty judge hearing an urgent application.

The Children's Hospital at Westmead was seeking the court's approval for a life-saving blood transfusion for one of its patients.

[b]The 16-year-old cancer patient and his parents were Jehov transfusion, and the JWs have the nerve to say he was 'violated'.

i see, you are able to cite single instances of children and minors yet you are unable to admit that more persons have been killed as a direct consequence of having received infused blood? you brush off five thousand persons having received serious injury, two thousand of which have died and it is nothing to you?

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sorry but the Nazis already tried, as you can see , we are alive and well, growing daily and are beautiful. We love you haters!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what does this purport to be? have more persons been killed through the practice of receiving transfused blood or have they not? this is my point? you state that because of our religious beliefs we wantonly die in our droves, i have produced statistics and real instances which clearly show that transfusion has killed more persons than even the mea ...[text shortened]... you disregard that fact!

Yes it is understood that clotting agents are derived from Plasma.

have more persons been killed through the practice of receiving transfused blood or have they not? this is my point?

They have not.

you state that because of our religious beliefs we wantonly die in our droves,

No. I did not. Perhaps only a handful die. I do not have access to those statistics. Nonetheless, your organisation is culpable and is a moral evil.

i have produced statistics and real instances which clearly show that transfusion has killed more persons than even the meanest suicide cult could hope to achieve and you disregard that fact!

No, you haven't. Firstly, you didn't give statistics about deaths but about infection transmission (neither Hepatitis C nor HIV are fatal but can be controlled by medication.) Secondly, the numbers are very low compared to the overall number who receive transfusions. Thirdly, the need outweighs the risk of infection transmission. If a person with drastically low red blood cell count survives by a transfusion but then contracts HIV, I doubt he would say 'I shouldn't have accepted the transfusion.' I am sure he would be grateful just to be able to live.

Yes it is understood that clotting agents are derived from Plasma.

But your organisation does not oppose plasma! So you have just wasted time arguing with statistics completely irrelevant to the discussion! We are talking about whole blood transfusions.

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Yes, we only learn of children because their cases appear in courts. I wonder how many adults have died because of this.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]have more persons been killed through the practice of receiving transfused blood or have they not? this is my point?

They have not.

you state that because of our religious beliefs we wantonly die in our droves,

No. I did not. Perhaps only a handful die. I do not have access to those statistics. Nonetheless, your organisation is culpa pletely irrelevant to the discussion! We are talking about whole blood transfusions/[/b]

so wait a minute, transfusion has killed tens of thousands, yet through our stance we reserve the right to abstain from transfusion and as a result a 'handful' die and we are the evil ones? you make a mockery of justice and truth.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Yes, we only learn of children because their cases appear in courts. I wonder how many adults have died because of this.

not as many as you have killed through transfusion i can tell you that. are you condoning the action of having killed tens of thousands of persons or are you not?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not as many as you have killed through transfusion i can tell you that.

Thousands of people receive transfusions a week. What you have shown is perhaps a few thousand over decades. Do I have to teach you how to count as well?

Originally posted by Conrau K
Thousands of people receive transfusions a week. What you have shown is perhaps a few thousand over decades. Do I have to teach you how to count as well?

blood transfusions deaths = tens of thousands

Jehovahs witnesses = handful

blood + transfusion + STD = moral evil

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so wait a minute, transfusion has killed tens of thousands, yet through our stance we reserve the right to abstain from transfusion and as a result a 'handful' die and we are the evil ones? you make a mockery of justice and truth.

Hang on. We're not talking about transfusions but about blood fractions. Is your memory that bad?

The fact is that the risk of infection remains tiny and the benefits are substantial. I would rather contract HIV than die needlessly when a blood transfusion is possible.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
blood transfusions deaths = tens of thousands

Jehovahs witnesses = handful

Blood transfusions = millions of lives saved.


blood + transfusion + STD = moral evil

Don't deny it, which is why screening is very sophisticated now. Even so, YOUR STATISTICS RELATE TO PLASMA, NOT WHOLE BLOOD. You are seriously a moron.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Hang on. We're not talking about transfusions but about blood fractions. Is your memory that bad?

The fact is that the risk of infection remains tiny and the benefits are substantial. I would rather contract HIV than die needlessly when a blood transfusion is possible.

we are talking of the number of persons who have been killed as a direct consequence of receiving infected blood either in whole or in part through transfusion. You have yet to state whether you condone the action of transfusion in their cases or not.

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they were the direct result of having received a blood transfusion, yet another person condoning the innocent killing of tens of thousands of people! are you sure your not a Nazi?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we are talking of the number of persons who have been killed as a direct consequence of receiving infected blood either in whole or in part through transfusion. You have yet to state whether you condone the action of transfusion in their cases or not.

Don't pretend that your abstention from blood transfusions is for medical reasons. Your organisation supports blood fractions. In fact, only a while ago you recommended these as a moral alternative to blood transfusions. Yet there are risks in blood fractions as well.

You have yet to state whether you condone the action of transfusion in their cases or not.

Absolutely and wholeheartedly. Blood transfusions save lives. There are minimal risks. I acknowledge that. But ultimately those in need of transfusions may be in fatal need and have to overlook the risks. Don't pretend any humanitarian concern for those infected from transfusions -- you would oppose it even if there were a zero rate of infection. You are no ally to them.