Truth .. JW Style

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
apparently the Newfoundland court doesn't share your sentiments.

I don't think so. The court simply decided that a transfusion, while preserving his life, would traumatise him and therefore not be in his interests. I can't read the mind of this judge but I suspect he too was profoundly disturbed. I see this as a wasted life, not a martyrdom, and am just sad for this kid. I really hate your organisation.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I don't think so. The court simply decided that a transfusion, while preserving his life, would traumatise him and therefore not be in his interests. I can't read the mind of this judge but I suspect he too was profoundly disturbed. I see this as a wasted life, not a martyrdom, and am just sad for this kid. I really hate your organisation.

no i don't think you are adequately qualified either. Continue to pontificate your hatred, its what you do best.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I don't think so. The court simply decided that a transfusion, while preserving his life, would traumatise him and therefore not be in his interests. I can't read the mind of this judge but I suspect he too was profoundly disturbed. I see this as a wasted life, not a martyrdom, and am just sad for this kid. I really hate your organisation.

I too remain unconvinced of the neccesity for this particurlar rule of the JWs. The flimsy excuses offered by Robbie have not been nearly convincing enough to persuade me that there is a need to deny a blood transfusion ever to anyone!

Originally posted by karoly aczel
I too remain unconvinced of the neccesity for this particurlar rule of the JWs. The flimsy excuses offered by Robbie have not been nearly convincing enough to persuade me that there is a need to deny a blood transfusion ever to anyone!

You are not a witness and are free to transfuse as much blood as you desire, of course your razor sharp wit and unassailable logic make it difficult for me to resists such a well thought out stance. I do not need to offer excuses to anyone, this is our stance, these are our beliefs and practices, if you don't like them, well, to bad, we are not in the habit of pandering to conviniece store religionists anyway. And if you actually have taken the time to read any of the texts, you will see, that no one denys a transfusion to anyone else, it is a personal, conscience based decision, how this has managed to evade you after nearly three hundred posts leaves me to belief that you are only partially conscious yourself and could do with a transfusion of some sort.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You are not a witness and are free to transfuse as much blood as you desire, of course your razor sharp wit and unassailable logic make it difficult for me to resists such a well thought out stance.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the JW stance on bllod transfusions has only been about since the 1940's? Before that it wasn't an issue.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the JW stance on bllod transfusions has only been about since the 1940's? Before that it wasn't an issue.

i cannot say dear Noobster, its very possible, for many things have come to light since.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no i don't think you are adequately qualified either. Continue to pontificate your hatred, its what you do best.

I don't follow. What qualifications do you mean? My disagreement is not with the ruling but with the JWs policy against blood transfusions. I think, outside the JW organisation, everyone would be extremely disturbed at this outcome.

I'm not pontificating hatred. I am genuinely moved by the plight of this kid. I don't understand why you are so lacking in basic human compunction that you cannot even admit that this was a tragedy.

I am also puzzled why you brought up this article, however. Surely it proves that blood transfusions can be necessary and fractions cannot substitute. Surely it also shows that death is a real possibility for a JW refusing transfusions. You have denied both points but in fact this article contradicts that.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i cannot say dear Noobster, its very possible, for many things have come to light since.

That is the case. Pre 1945, the JW's had no issue with blood transfusions. Now they do, what would be the reason for the change? Scripture has remained the same, so that can't be an issue.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That is the case. Pre 1945, the JW's had no issue with blood transfusions. Now they do, what would be the reason for the change? Scripture has remained the same, so that can't be an issue.

our understanding of scripture changes. for exampled pre 40s, there was no prohibition on tobacco, then it was realised that its both a physical and spiritual violation of the body, etc etc etc.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
contd.

“I agree that the doctor made eminent sense when he said that the patient must be in a cooperative and positive frame of mind about chemotherapy and other cancer treatments in order for there to be any hope, any real hope, of success, and that a patient on whom something is forced contrary to his most deeply held beliefs would be a patient ...[text shortened]... present life, Adrian Yeatts showed himself to be one of the many young people who put God first.

This is crazy. This kid is held up as a model for a good JW? Just crazy Rob-I'm left speechless..

Originally posted by Conrau K
I don't follow. What qualifications do you mean? My disagreement is not with the ruling but with the JWs policy against blood transfusions. I think, outside the JW organisation, everyone would be extremely disturbed at this outcome.

I'm not pontificating hatred. I am genuinely moved by the plight of this kid. I don't understand why you are so lacking in ...[text shortened]... refusing transfusions. You have denied both points but in fact this article contradicts that.

what about the young man? what about his concerns? forget yours just for a moment? do you think it was easy? do you think it was an easy decision? what about his parents? it must have been real easy on them also?

He seems to have been able through his personal testimony to convince a judiciary, but not you, of his right to self determination. What you have read, is nothing more than an outstanding faith in Gods word in that the promises of a resurrection on the basis of Jesus Christ blood are able to transcend even death itself! It exactly the same when we were being persecuted by the Nazis, for then, even then, a choice could have been made and freedom through a recantation of faith, but we could not relinquish our faith in Gods word and the resurrection hope. Of course it was tragedy, i myself could hardly read it, but i cannot help but marvel at his conviction and faith!

Originally posted by karoly aczel
This is crazy. This kid is held up as a model for a good JW? Just crazy Rob-I'm left speechless..

well thank goodness for that!

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
For one, I wasn't "suggesting" anything. If you reread my post, you'll notice that I was merely asking you a question that would help clarify your position. So if anyone has a "warped brain", it is someone who'd pitch a hissy fit based on his own erroneous inferences.

I'll take your response to be "No". That you would not also "fail to see why everyon ...[text shortened]... ild is dead and the parent is responsible. Your position is logically inconsistent.

Your right, I read your post again, my bad, I'm sorry. I must of been in a very
bad mood that day, you were not the only one I did that too. 🙁
Kelly

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well thank goodness for that!

..but thank you anyway for giving me a furhtur example of JWs absurdity...(not even worth putting in those joky eyes )

Originally posted by karoly aczel
..but thank you anyway for giving me a furhtur example of JWs absurdity...(not even worth putting in those joky eyes )

Karoly try to understand the reasons, i don't care if you do not agree with it, think its absurd, crazy , whatever, just try to understand the reasons without making a judgement, for so far this has failed the entire forum, with the exception of Noobster who seems more puzzled than judgemental.