09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarWe do not know the universe's origin [or if it even had a beginning], and it clearly hasn't ended [and shows no sign of doing so], so it's a faulty premise to state that everything in our experience has a beginning and an end and then, based on that, declare the universe must have a beginning and an end.
Everything in our experience has a beginning and an end.
Originally posted by @eladarSentience does the explaining, not the universe.
Can the universe explain its own origins? Everything in our experience has a beginning and an end.
Theuniverse too then, from a natural perspectuve, have a beginning and an end. How can this be? Can something come from nothing?
We haven't ruled out eternity nor infinity.
We are tiny little motes on this planet. And comparing the size of our planet to the known or observable universe can freaking shatter minds:
https://www.joshuakennon.com/how-big-is-earth-compared-to-the-universe/
Your last question, nothing comes from nothing. If our universe started from the fabled singularity, it was a mere mote in the multi-verse. Comparing the known age of our universe to the lifespan of a human can blow minds too. If the Earth formed at midnight and the present moment is the next midnight, 24 hours later, modern humans have been around since 11:59:59pm—1 second. (From multiple sources.) And the age of our earth is only a fraction of the age of our universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth
https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
It's okay to be boggled. But are you trying to understand, eladar, or does our boggleness just mean goddidit for you.
Originally posted by @eladarCan the universe explain its own origins?
Can the universe explain its own origins? Everything in our experience has a beginning and an end.
Theuniverse too then, from a natural perspectuve, have a beginning and an end. How can this be? Can something come from nothing?
Oh Yes, The Universe and I met at Starbucks just last Tuesday and had a conversation about that. The Universe told me it's family tree consisted of 2 plus or minus the cubed root of AC squared over 2A. 2A had sex with C and soon after gave birth to the Universe. 2A was never the same after that. 2A changed it's name to Julie and is now doing 3 shows a week as a show girl at the Sands in Las Vegas. Not many folks know about this, because what happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas! 😀
Don't try to get too deep eledar, a concept is like a finder pointing to the heavens, don't concentrate too hard on the finger, or you'll miss all that heavenly glory!
09 Aug 17
Hmm ... my science must be out of date. S. Hawking wrote "Events before the Big Bang can have no observational consequences so we might as well cut them out and state that Time began at the Big Bang". Also, I thought that Entropy was inevitably going to lead to a hot-death of the Universe in the end.
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemSounds to me like all he is saying is that he doesn't know anything about what there was or what was happening before the 'Big Bang'. Beyond that, what he thinks we "might as well do" - in the wake of him conceding he doesn't know something - is moot.
S. Hawking wrote "Events before the Big Bang can have no observational consequences so we might as well cut them out and state that Time began at the Big Bang".
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemPerhaps the so called "hot death" will simply be an event of some sort that initiates a new chapter and a new form of the universe (a new state about which we currently have no clue), just as we have no clue about what preceded the current state/form of the universe.
I thought that Entropy was inevitably going to lead to a hot-death of the Universe in the end.
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @fmfHave you ever experienced anything other than the universe that has not had a beginning?
We do not know the universe's origin [or if it even had a beginning], and it clearly hasn't ended [and shows no sign of doing so], so it's a faulty premise to state that everything in our experience has a beginning and an end and then, based on that, declare the universe must have a beginning and an end.
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterEnergy is something. You remind me of students who think that zero and no solution are the same answer.
Yes matter can be completely destroyed to create nothing but energy; the process is reversible.
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @fabianfnasDo you have an example of this or is this answer based on faith?
I would say so, yes.
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @apathistWhere did the fabled singularity come from?
Sentience does the explaining, not the universe.
We haven't ruled out eternity nor infinity.
We are tiny little motes on this planet. And comparing the size of our planet to the known or observable universe can freaking shatter minds:
https://www.joshuakennon.com/how-big-is-earth-compared-to-the-universe/
Your last question, nothing comes fro ...[text shortened]... ed. But are you trying to understand, eladar, or does our boggleness just mean goddidit for you.