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This will probably come as a shock to you, but God wants your heart, not your brain.
The mind is part of the heart.
"And Jesus, knowing fully their reasonings, answered and said to them, why are you REASONING in your hearts?" (Luke 5:22)
The human heart in the bible consists of the mind, emotion, will, plus the conscience.
I recommend to you the book "The Parts of Man" by Witness Lee.
Table of contents:
CONTENTS
The Parts of Man and Their Purposes
The Three Steps of the Lord's Salvation
The Parts of Man at Different Stages
It is a short booklet.
https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=0C0CC8
04 Sep 19
@sonship saidWhat nonsense. The heart pumps blood around the body. All your religious notions happen in your brain. Talking about the "heart" as the location of some of the more intense and emotional goings on in the brain is simply a metaphor.
The mind is part of the heart.
04 Sep 19
@sonship saidThe heart is the seat of desire.
@SecondSon
This will probably come as a shock to you, but God wants your heart, not your brain.
The mind is part of the heart.
"And Jesus, knowing fully their reasonings, answered and said to them, why are you REASONING in your hearts?" (Luke 5:22)
The human heart in the bible consists of the mind, emotion, will, plus the conscience.
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It is a short booklet.
https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=0C0CC8
Proverbs 4:23
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
Mark 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
It is the heart that makes a convert of the mind. No doubt man is a complicated and integrated being though.
04 Sep 19
@secondson saidYou people are an embarrassment to educated Christians. The heart is a pump, nothing else. The expression 'out of the heart' is just an expression, because the heart is not able to reason or understand or process information. That function is for the brain.
The heart is the seat of desire.
Proverbs 4:23
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
Mark 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from ...[text shortened]... e heart that makes a convert of the mind. No doubt man is a complicated and integrated being though.
05 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidIt's embarrassing that you think that the "heart" spoken of in the scriptures is referring to the pump in your chest.
You people are an embarrassment to educated Christians. The heart is a pump, nothing else. The expression 'out of the heart' is just an expression, because the heart is not able to reason or understand or process information. That function is for the brain.
The word "heart" occurs 765 times in the KJV. It is first used in the following verse.
Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
So, Mr. Educated, describe what God means by "heart" in that verse. If you can. You won't because you can't.
05 Sep 19
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@secondson saidLocating the product of the workings of the brain in the "heart" is simply to use the organ as a metaphor for strong opinions and strong emotions that are the work of the mind. "Heart" is just a metaphor.
It's embarrassing that you think that the "heart" spoken of in the scriptures is referring to the pump in your chest.
The word "heart" occurs 765 times in the KJV. It is first used in the following verse.
Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
So, ...[text shortened]... Educated, describe what God means by "heart" in that verse. If you can. You won't because you can't.
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@secondson saidSuch passages that refer to a thinking heart merely evidence that the words were written by ancient men who lacked anatomical knowledge, rather than an infallible God.
It's embarrassing that you think that the "heart" spoken of in the scriptures is referring to the pump in your chest.
The word "heart" occurs 765 times in the KJV. It is first used in the following verse.
Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
So, ...[text shortened]... Educated, describe what God means by "heart" in that verse. If you can. You won't because you can't.
05 Sep 19
@fmf saidYes, it's a metaphor, but for what?
Locating the product of the workings of the brain in the "heart" is simply to use the organ as a metaphor for strong opinions and strong emotions that are the work of the mind. "Heart" is just a metaphor.
It's a metaphor for the deeper innermost part of man's being. The brain is just beneath the surface and functions on a physical level, but the heart, as a metaphor, refers to something, a part of our being, deep within, which is immaterial.
Remind me again that you don't believe in the supernatural.
05 Sep 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell, you're a modern man right? Yet, it appears, the ancients understood more about the heart than you do.
Such passages that refer to a thinking heart merely evidence that the words were written by ancient men who lacked anatomical knowledge, rather than an infallible God.
Can we proceed in this discussion beyond the elementary aspects of the heart muscle?
Like FMF you can deny the existence of the spiritual/supernatural, but it would be intellectual folly to deny that the Bible teaches that there is a part of our being that is immaterial.
05 Sep 19
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@fmf said"Locating the product of the workings of the brain..."
Locating the product of the workings of the brain in the "heart" is simply to use the organ as a metaphor for strong opinions and strong emotions that are the work of the mind. "Heart" is just a metaphor.
Isn't that what you're doing? "Locating" everything a body does and is to just the "workings" of the brain?
Did you know that the brain performs, how shall we say it, more calculations per minute than the most advanced computer by a factor of millions to one?
Of course that's not accurate, but you get my point, no?
And to think you can say whether or not there's a part of our being that functions outside the boundaries of the purely physical, when you haven't a clue with regards to the complexities of brain function?!
That attitude smacks of arrogance.
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You people are an embarrassment to educated Christians. The heart is a pump, nothing else. The expression 'out of the heart' is just an expression, because the heart is not able to reason or understand or process information. That function is for the brain.
I underestimated your ignorance.
If you do not believe about the importance of the psychological/spiritual "heart" then you may never turn your heart to the Lord (2 Cor. 3:12-16).
If you do not believe about the importance of the psychological "heart" then you may never be among those who let "Christ make His home in your hearts by faith." (Eph. 3:17)
If you are ignorant of the importance of the spiritual and psychological heart then "the eyes of your heart" may never be enlightened. (Eph. 1:18).
Then like Pharaoh in Egypt you will continually harden your heart towards God (Exodus 8:32) .
07 Sep 19
@secondson saidI feel compelled to point out to you that “heart” is a metaphor for the part of your consciousness which desires and your consciousness is in your BRAIN. Maybe your BRAINS are in your arse.
The heart is the seat of desire.
Proverbs 4:23
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
Mark 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from ...[text shortened]... e heart that makes a convert of the mind. No doubt man is a complicated and integrated being though.
That’s another metaphor by the way. It means...oh never mind.