-Removed-Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
So are you a friend of the world?
Just kidding. What is the thread where this happened? Maybe you said something to provoke him.
-Removed-I went back about 10 pages on that thread and I did not find it, anyway let me put it this way - if a Christian tells me something along the lines that he likes worldly things ... gambling, drugs, womanizing, excessive partying etc etc, then I would have no problem point out to him what James 4:4 says. But I dont know what you said to JW. There is nothing wrong with pointing out certain Bible passages if it suits the situation. But this must be done to help rather than insult. Again I dont know what exactly went down between you two.
I do see quite a lot of cases of people quoting the Bible to insult, and it is usually done in order to absolve themselves from taking responsibility ie they say 'look, if you have a problem, take it up with God, he said it not me.'
Also common is using the verse about taking the log out of your eye. The funny thing about it is that practically any use of that verse contradicts the verse.
13 Feb 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Thread 167360 pages 13-15
What is the thread where this happened? Maybe you said something to provoke him.
13 Feb 16
Originally posted by Rajk999divegeester made a quip to wolfgang59 - a non-Christian - about Grampy Bobby's behaviour. josephw made a comment about divegeester's "strange bedfellow" and then tossed James 4:4 into the discussion but steadfastly refused to explain how he thought or intended it to apply to divegeester and wolfgang59.
There is nothing wrong with pointing out certain Bible passages if it suits the situation. But this must be done to help rather than insult. Again I dont know what exactly went down between you two.
13 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMFOk , I had a read of those pages and it seems JW overreacted. James 4:4 is uncalled for and irrelevant. Apparently JW appears not to approve of Dive's siding with much of what you say about Christians and other things in general. Some Christians take it personally when you dont openly support them in discussions with non-Christians, From the viewpoint of many Christians there are two groups of people in the world - Christians and the rest of the world, and not supporting Christians is worldly in their eyes. hence the James 4:4 quote.
divegeester made a quip to wolfgang59 - a non-Christian - about Grampy Bobby's behaviour. josephw made a comment about divegeester's "strange bedfellow" and then tossed James 4:4 into the discussion but steadfastly refused to explain how he thought or intended it to apply to divegeester and wolfgang59.
13 Feb 16
-Removed-The 'strange bedfellows' remark and the James 4:4 quote came together as I recall. I have a feeling he is saying that you are choosing the world over God [non-Christians over Christians]. Plus one of the most basic doctrines of mainstream Christianity is guaranteed eternal life for all Christians and eternal torment for all non-Christians. Many Christians would have already placed you [me as well] in the heretic category for challenging this doctrine... thats why you would not get their support.
Originally posted by Rajk999No, it most definitely is not. That may be a doctrine of some large groups of Christians, but it is far from universal in 'mainstream Christianity'. I am fairly sure it is not standard Anglican doctrine and am certain that the Anglicans I know don't believe it.
Plus one of the most basic doctrines of mainstream Christianity is guaranteed eternal life for all Christians and eternal torment for all non-Christians.
As for the Roman Catholics, the Pope has apparently said that atheists can go to heaven too.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
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Originally posted by twhitehead
No, it most definitely is not. That may be a doctrine of some large groups of Christians, but it is far from universal in 'mainstream Christianity'. I am fairly sure it is not standard Anglican doctrine and am certain that the Anglicans I know don't believe it.
As for the Roman Catholics, the Pope has apparently said that atheists can go to heaven too.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
As for the Roman Catholics, the Pope has apparently said that atheists can go to heaven too.
Yeah, by 'coming to know god' via 'doing "good" works'... in other-words by realising the
'error of our ways' and becoming believers.
So, no, not so much.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeI think you are over doing the 'in other words'. Certainly I know of no explicit doctrine in either the Anglican Church or the Catholic Church that atheists are automatically destined for hell.
Yeah, by 'coming to know god' via 'doing "good" works'... in other-words by realising the 'error of our ways' and becoming believers.
So, no, not so much.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadYou mean apart from all the parts of the bible that explicitly state that you have to believe in god/JC to be
I think you are over doing the 'in other words'. Certainly I know of no explicit doctrine in either the Anglican Church or the Catholic Church that atheists are automatically destined for hell.
'saved' [go to heaven] ?
Anyhow the current Pope has a track record of saying stuff that looks nice on the outside but when
you actually scrutinise it you find that all he's done is find a nicer way of saying the same old evils
the Catholic church has always peddled.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2013/06/02/vatican-but-seriously-atheists-still-get-tortured-forever/
... We’ve been getting a lot of email asking us if we heard the exciting (?) news that Pope Francis said atheists don’t necessarily go to hell. A few days later, the Vatican hastened to assure us that — yes, ha ha, that infallible pope, he’s a kidder all right.
Vatican spokesman Thomas Rosica has now issued an “explanatory note” stating:
…they cannot be saved who, knowing the Church as founded by Christ and necessary for salvation, would refuse to enter her or remain in her.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2015/10/01/stop-being-surprised-that-the-pope-is-not-your-friend/
So for instance, Francis would say something like this:
If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?
Which sounds really nice and open minded, except that a few days later some Bishops scurried up behind him to “clarify” this remark:
Pope Francis’ remarks reiterate Catholic teaching that the Church is open to all people, including those with same-sex attractions, but homosexual activity is contrary to the Gospel of Christ — just as all sexual activity outside of marriage would be. A priest must be able to live a healthy, celibate lifestyle, whether or not he has ever experienced same-sex attractions.
Which is absolutely nothing new! What did you think that “love the sinner but hate the sin” stuff was that you’ve been hearing from every Christian, ever? It means that we are all fallen, depraved, unclean, terrible… but don’t worry. By accepting the salvation of Jesus, you can be forgiven. Homosexuality is still bad, but the pope’s not the judge of that. God’s going to judge you. Just recognize that it’s a sin.