13 Nov 15
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSome genuine questions to clarify your position. (Admittedly i haven't followed every post in this thread, and for that i apologize; the same for any flippant remarks made previously).
If, by "well for you," you mean my intentions have been made clear, then yes... as far as I have revealed them.
Everything I've said up to this point (with the exception of the admitted mistake earlier in the thread) has been in line with the facts.
And when I say "the facts," I'm speaking to things which can be verified, regardless of affiliation.
An ...[text shortened]... ledge or reject my claim that the horizon remains at eye level regardless of one's altitude?[/b]
You don't 'actually' believe the Earth is flat right? (Or more precisely, deny the Earth is a sphere?) You are in fact making some other point about thought?!
I ask this as you state "I suggested a view of pictures taken from the top of Mt. Everest or from the window of an airplane." - Which of course would have me respond that you in turn 'view pictures taken from space that clearly evidence the shape of the Earth.'
Perhaps FreakyKBH is on to something. The other day I took a dump and had this unsettling feeling like the horizon squatted along with me, like it was following me or something. And then there was the time a midget and a giant were both taking in the same sunset and the horizon seemed to flip in and out like a necker cube before imploding into a singularity. Very strange goings-on.
13 Nov 15
Originally posted by googlefudgeYour density knows no bounds, this is quite clear.
The Horizon isn't @ eye level just looking out my window, And that's with trees on top of it.
I look down on my local horizon.
This is not a memory, or a picture, its what I am looking at right f*ing now.
You are a true idiot of the first order if you continue to claim that the horizon is always at 'eye level'
while I am physically tilting my ...[text shortened]... better than that, one way I look down, the other way I look up.
Both cannot be at 'eye level'.
We are not discussing the skyline.
We are discussing the horizon.
While the two may be used interchangeably, the true horizon is not to be confused (as you continually have been doing, despite constant correction) with the line where one's immediate surroundings are separated from the sky.
Since you're having so much difficulty with the concept, I suggest you do a little digging on the topic to help you make the distinction.
The order of idiocy for which you qualify is off the charts, so I'm at a loss to trade insults with you on this one.
I live on the shore of one of the Great Lakes and as I look out my window, the furthest I can see--- at that vanishing point where the sky and the earth are divided by a straight line--- is directly at eye level.
When I stand up: the line remains at eye level.
When I go upstairs, roughly twelve feet above my current position: eye level.
When I am on the roof, or if I climb one of the seven trees in my yard: eye level.
With each progressive change in altitude, I am able to see proportionately further into the distance, but that line remains at eye level.
But that's just me adding my experience.
I went several better and offered you the opportunity to see for yourself from the vantage point of the presumed highest point possible on the entire earth, Mt. Everest.
In every picture you can find (not distorted by fish-eye lens) the horizon is visible directly ahead, again: at eye level.
I also directed you to observe the same phenomenon even further up, from the perspective of an airplane at any altitude, including above 25K feet.
All of them reveal the same thing as what I am seeing as I type this out: the horizon at eye level.
I suspect you are fighting this obvious fact because you know it destroys your position otherwise.
Given its shaky reputation as an objective source, I typically stay away from wikipedia, although the site sometimes offers substantiated and reliable information.
In this case, the current information on the term "horizon" is pretty sound and may help you out of this cloud of utter confusion on the matter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
Best of luck to you!
13 Nov 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeOh.
Some genuine questions to clarify your position. (Admittedly i haven't followed every post in this thread, and for that i apologize; the same for any flippant remarks made previously).
You don't 'actually' believe the Earth is flat right? (Or more precisely, deny the Earth is a sphere?) You are in fact making some other point about thought?!
I ...[text shortened]... that you in turn 'view pictures taken from space that clearly evidence the shape of the Earth.'
So you are of the mindset that the earth is perfectly round?
Or that the cloud cover has a way of repeating itself exactly?
Or that the land masses mysteriously reshape themselves?
There is, indeed, another point to be made, but this one has stumped those involved, despite their objections otherwise, so I don't know when we'll be able to get to it.
So I assume you've looked at the pictures available; what is your observation regarding the horizon at eye level regardless of altitude?
13 Nov 15
Originally posted by LemonJelloI'll have what you're having.
Perhaps FreakyKBH is on to something. The other day I took a dump and had this unsettling feeling like the horizon squatted along with me, like it was following me or something. And then there was the time a midget and a giant were both taking in the same sunset and the horizon seemed to flip in and out like a necker cube before imploding into a singularity. Very strange goings-on.
Can we put you down for 'undecided,' or 'afraid to actually engage?'
Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Your density knows no bounds, this is quite clear.
We are not discussing the skyline.
We are discussing the horizon.
While the two may be used interchangeably, the true horizon is not to be confused (as you continually have been doing, despite constant correction) with the line where one's immediate surroundings are separated from the sky.
Since you're ...[text shortened]... utter confusion on the matter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
Best of luck to you!
Your density knows no bounds, this is quite clear.
We are not discussing the skyline.
We are discussing the horizon.
While the two may be used interchangeably, the true horizon is not to be confused (as you continually have been doing, despite constant correction) with the line where one's immediate surroundings are separated from the sky.
Since you're having so much difficulty with the concept, I suggest you do a little digging on the topic to help you make the distinction.
If I am looking down, at a skyline or visible horizon consisting of buildings and trees, then the true horizon will be even lower.
This makes your 'argument' even worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
The horizon or skyline is the apparent line that separates earth from sky, the line that divides all visible directions into two categories: those that intersect the Earth's surface, and those that do not. At many locations, the true horizon is obscured by trees, buildings, mountains, etc., and the resulting intersection of earth and sky is called the visible horizon. ..........
........Historically, the distance to the visible horizon at sea has been extremely important as it represented the maximum range of communication and vision before the development of the radio and the telegraph. Even today, when flying an aircraft under Visual Flight Rules, a technique called attitude flying is used to control the aircraft, where the pilot uses the visual relationship between the aircraft's nose and the horizon to control the aircraft. A pilot can also retain his or her spatial orientation by referring to the horizon.
In many contexts, especially perspective drawing, the curvature of the Earth is disregarded and the horizon is considered the theoretical line to which points on any horizontal plane converge (when projected onto the picture plane) as their distance from the observer increases. For observers near sea level the difference between this geometrical horizon (which assumes a perfectly flat, infinite ground plane) and the true horizon (which assumes a spherical Earth surface) is imperceptible to the naked eye[dubious – discuss] (but for someone on a 1000-meter hill looking out to sea the true horizon will be about a degree below a horizontal line).
I live on the shore of one of the Great Lakes and as I look out my window, the furthest I can see--- at that vanishing point where the sky and the earth are divided by a straight line--- is directly at eye level.
When I stand up: the line remains at eye level.
When I go upstairs, roughly twelve feet above my current position: eye level.
When I am on the roof, or if I climb one of the seven trees in my yard: eye level.
With each progressive change in altitude, I am able to see proportionately further into the distance, but that line remains at eye level.
Define eye level.
I suspect you are fighting this obvious fact because you know it destroys your position otherwise.
You suspect wrongly. Just as you are wrong about everything else.
If you are not talking about the dividing line between earth[sea] and sky. Then you are not talking about the horizon, you are
talking about something else.
If you are not defining eye line as being at 90 degrees to the vertical, then you are not talking about the same thing I am.
If you are talking about those things, then you are wrong. As demonstrated by the reality we can all see, by the photos you linked,
by the websites we linked, by all possible available evidence.
If you are talking about something else then you have completely and utterly failed on every possible level to accurately convey
what it is you are talking about. You have, in short, been posting complete gibberish.
In every picture you can find (not distorted by fish-eye lens) the horizon is visible directly ahead, again: at eye level.
NO. you can't.
In this case, the current information on the term "horizon" is pretty sound and may help you out of this cloud of utter confusion on the matter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
Best of luck to you!
This article confirms what we have been saying, and includes diagrams showing the horizon being below eye level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#/media/File:Horizons.svg
I have no problems with what it says on that site because it agrees with everything WE have been saying.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtReally. You don't recall someone claiming a refrigerator is more complex than the human body? I thought he was just trying to be funny, but he insisted it was true... but it doesn't really matter if he meant it or not, because no one else had anything to say about that. What that means to me is he knew he lost the argument so dealt with it by trying to funny, and the fact that no one else had any thing to say means they didn't want to be associated with a losing argument. I've been in debates with twhitehead and sometimes he will abruptly stop and go silent for awhile... then later I'll remind him of our discussion and he will claim it never happened.
It's option 1.
I suppose I could record and organize past debates and comments, but if someone can't remember or wants to pretend something never happened they can always find some way of diminishing it's importance or explain what they 'really' meant. Twhitehead is actually one of the more entertaining prevaricators, in one of his messages here he has the temerity to claim I didn't see it and no one else saw it... Hey, no one warned me he was a science Mafia mob boss! LoL
Originally posted by lemon limeNope. you remember wrong.
Really. You don't recall someone claiming a refrigerator is more complex than the human body? I thought he was just trying to be funny, but he insisted it was true... but it doesn't really matter if he meant it or not, because no one else had anything to say about that. What that means to me is he knew he lost the argument so dealt with it by trying to fu ...[text shortened]... dn't see it and no one else saw it... Hey, no one warned me he was a science Mafia mob boss! LoL
one quick google search and....
http://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/the-design-argument.161935/page-63
Originally posted by FreakyKBHVery few things are perfectly round, and this includes the Earth. Spherical though is closer to the mark than flat.(By a long chalk!)
Oh.
So you are of the mindset that the earth is perfectly round?
Or that the cloud cover has a way of repeating itself exactly?
Or that the land masses mysteriously reshape themselves?
There is, indeed, another point to be made, but this one has stumped those involved, despite their objections otherwise, so I don't know when we'll be able to get to i ...[text shortened]... s available; what is your observation regarding the horizon at eye level regardless of altitude?
Happy to answer any other questions you have, once you respond to my own question about how the Earth appears in photographs taken from space. Either every picture (and live footage) is faked or the Earth is indeed 'round.'
Clearly you have a point not yet expressed. Please do so.
Originally posted by googlefudgeJust to clarify, when I said 'someone' claimed a refrigerator is more complex than the human body I was not referring to t-head. It was C hess that made that claim. I haven't looked at your link yet, but I suspect your googlefudging has yielded the wrong thread or has pointed you in the wrong direction.
Nope. you remember wrong.
one quick google search and....
http://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/the-design-argument.161935/page-63
Edit: as I suspected, you assumed the 'someone' was twhitehead.