Vatican vs Freemasonry

@josephw said
My "brand" is Bible based belief.

I'm not going to parse out for you the secular/biblical historical record of the abuse of man against his fellow man.

You wouldn't believe it anyway.

But you are correct. Martin Luther's anti-Semitic views paved the way for Hitler's Nazi regime. Antisemitism is Satanic.

And in my opinion, so is the Vatican. My faith was once rooted in Catholicism, but then I read the Bible.

Antisemitism is Satanic. And in my opinion, so is the Vatican.

And what about freemasonry?

@josephw said
It is indeed interesting. Relevant. Contemporary.
As old as dirt. Straight from the Vatican; divide and conquer. Threaten with hell. Instilling fear. Murder in the name of God.

What has all this talk about “dirt” “divide and conquer” “threaten with hell” “instilling fear” and murder in the name of god, got to do with my brother-in-law sending me a copy of the circular?

@fmf said
And what about freemasonry?

I may be wrong, but I suspect Josephw won’t give you an unequivocal answer to this. And I think I know why.

@divegeester said
I may be wrong, but I suspect Josephw won’t give you an unequivocal answer to this. And I think I know why.

The Ian Paisely-type brandishing of anti-Catholic sentiments must take precedence over all else.

@divegeester said
This was a UK Grand Lodge circular which was sent out to all members.

Not sure why you feel a winky emoji was needed.

Not sure why you feel a winky emoji was needed.

Because I'm in a "winky" mood. 😉

@fmf said
Antisemitism is Satanic. And in my opinion, so is the Vatican.

And what about freemasonry?

Frankly, if what any man made institution asserts to be true, that which is not based on the truth, then that institution is either in error, or is an organ of that one which seeks to destroy truth.

@divegeester said
What has all this talk about “dirt” “divide and conquer” “threaten with hell” “instilling fear” and murder in the name of god, got to do with my brother-in-law sending me a copy of the circular?

Obviously you lost the thread.

@divegeester said
I may be wrong, but I suspect Josephw won’t give you an unequivocal answer to this. And I think I know why.

You are wrong. And I don't think you know why.

@fmf said
The Ian Paisely-type brandishing of anti-Catholic sentiments must take precedence over all else.

Starting to feel snarky now?

Sentiments are in the eye of the beholder.

@josephw said
Frankly, if what any man made institution asserts to be true, that which is not based on the truth, then that institution is either in error, or is an organ of that one which seeks to destroy truth.

So, is freemasonry "Satanic" in your estimation?

@josephw said
Starting to feel snarky now?

Sentiments are in the eye of the beholder.

Starting to feel snarky now?

Not at all. You are misreading the sentiment completely.

@fmf said
Starting to feel snarky now?

Not at all. You are misreading the sentiment completely.

No doubt. At least maybe this time.

@fmf said
So, is freemasonry "Satanic" in your estimation?

"While Freemasonry is not itself a religion, all its members believe in a Supreme Being, or "Grand Architect of the Universe.” Members come from many faiths, but one denomination in particular bars any crossover."

"Freemasonry is one of the oldest fraternal organizations in the world. It unites men of good character who, though of different religious, ethnic or social backgrounds, share a belief in the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of mankind."

Doesn't sound so bad to me.
Freemasonry isn't a religion like the Catholic Church, which pretends to be Christian, but is instead a citadel of false doctrine and idol worship.

@josephw said
Doesn't sound so bad to me.
Freemasonry isn't a religion like the Catholic Church, which pretends to be Christian, but is instead a citadel of false doctrine and idol worship.

Freemasonry has a history of occultism, aside from nepotism and cronyism. I thought you might object. Do you think the Catholic church should allow its adherents to be freemasons.

@josephw said
"While Freemasonry is not itself a religion, all its members believe in a Supreme Being, or "Grand Architect of the Universe.” Members come from many faiths, but one denomination in particular bars any crossover."

"Freemasonry is one of the oldest fraternal organizations in the world. It unites men of good character who, though of different religious, ethnic or social backgrounds, share a belief in the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of mankind."

What's this? A text where Freemasonry is promoting itself?