31 Oct 18
@sonship saidIs that a yes or a no?
@divegeester
Does your view of the trinity involve 3 distinct persons?
You know what I have said.
And you should remember that I said we can borrow the word "Persons" to express such a mystery. But we should not stress "Persons" too far.
I use "Persons" because there is hardly any other human language word which will do.
I haven't changed my belief since the last two or three or four cycles when this came up between us.
31 Oct 18
@sonship saidDistinct in what way then?
@divegeester
Is that a yes or a no?
Yes, what the Bible reveals about God's being may be expressed as three distinct Persons.
I usually say distinct but not separate. Each "Person" lives in the other.
31 Oct 18
@sonship saidThat’s a good example to be fair.
@divegeester
Distinct in what way then?
"And the Word was with God and the Word was God"
For example in John 1:1.
Distinct but not separate.
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Not that I agree with you, but it’s a good example of your point.
31 Oct 18
@divegeester saidSo, you missed it when I said to chaney3, "For clarity, please see John 1:1" ?
That’s a good example to be fair.
Not that I agree with you, but it’s a good example of your point.
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Jesus speaks of Himself and of His Father as "We" in John 14:23.
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
The divine "We" of the Father and the Son must also be the same two "Persons" as the Word and God in John 1:1.
There is distinction between the Word who was with God.
There is no separation between the Word and the God Whom the Word WAS.
In the same way, the Divine "We" of Father and Son reveals distinction yet mysteriously EACH lives in the Other.
I have a new analogy which I may try on this Forum to help understand the Trinity. All analogies are limited. None that I know are completely good.
Who wants to see a new analogy ?
03 Nov 18
@sonship saidHear oh Israel (that includes you sonship), the lord your God in ONE.
Jesus speaks of Himself and of His Father as "We" in John 14:23.
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
The divine "We" of the Father and the Son must also be the same two "Persons" as the W ...[text shortened]... ll analogies are limited. None that I know are completely good.
Who wants to see a new analogy ?
Not three, not four, and five is definitely out.
ONE!
03 Nov 18
@divegeester saidNo one's disputing that. Try to keep up.
Hear oh Israel (that includes you sonship), the lord your God in ONE.
Not three, not four, and five is definitely out.
ONE!