31 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJayWould you agree that songs would have to be repeated? If we imagine no song has more than 1,500 notes in it, and hearing is limited to about 10 octaves worth of notes, there are a finite number of note sequences. There are other variables you can throw in, like timing and harmony and timbre. But realistically, in an infinite existence in an afterlife, there will have to be repetition.
One of things I have wondered about will be music, without time
keeping a beat would be worthless There is a lot about that, that I'm do
wonder about.
Kelly
Can boredom creep into a heavenly afterlife? Maybe the Lord wipes clean the minds there at intervals so that songs seem fresh?
31 May 14
Originally posted by KellyJayYes, that passage must be at least partly the source for the radio sermon by Anne Graham Lotz.
He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[c] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits thick. 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass.
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Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIBilly Graham's daughter must have been thinking of the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven that is mentioned in Revelation 21.
My experiences of listening to the minister's sermons and interacting in Sunday school classes during my churchgoing youth left me with the impression that once the 1000-year reign of Jesus on Earth is completed, all humans become purely spirit and live on forever in Heaven or Hell, whichever may be the case for each individual.
Heaven was not some ...[text shortened]... our understanding of the future and the afterlife different than mine was when I was one of you?
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Originally posted by Paul Dirac III don't know, my guess is body, soul, and spirit vs Father, Son, Holy
Some Bible believers would say Genesis 1:27 is talking about man being the moral image of the Creator, not the three-dimensional shape (head/trunk/limbs/digits) that you are talking about.
Spirit. We share a lot of traits, but ours are tainted with sin, which made
Christ becoming a man so important so that things could be broken down
to where we could see how we were meant to be.
Kelly
31 May 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac III'd disagree with that, I believe God is more than able to express what
The church of my youth emphasized that the Holy Bible was not the writings of fallible human beings, but rather the thoughts of God Himself. Any item of knowledge available to God-- which is to say all knowledge, past, present and future-- could go onto the pages of the Bible if God wanted it to. The brainpower of the rabbi writing the passage of scrip ...[text shortened]... e first time was irrelevant, because God was using just the fingers of the rabbi, not the brain.
He wants to through mortal man. God can use sinners, donkeys, what
ever and so on to make a point. I do not see why getting some text
written would be an issue. If He can see everything at the same time
from the smallest partical, to all of His creation at once, and never lose
track of anything, why would it be hard for God to get His point across
with man as flawed as He is.
Kelly
31 May 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IINot sure bordom would ever be an issue, even here no one has to be
Would you agree that songs would have to be repeated? If we imagine no song has more than 1,500 notes in it, and hearing is limited to about 10 octaves worth of notes, there are a finite number of note sequences. There are other variables you can throw in, like timing and harmony and timbre. But realistically, in an infinite existence in an afterlife, ...[text shortened]... nly afterlife? Maybe the Lord wipes clean the minds there at intervals so that songs seem fresh?
bored. They find something they love to engage in they are not bored.
Not sure about repeating, had not given that thought.
Kelly
31 May 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIYou can read about the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 and 22. Some believe it is all symbolic or figurative language. But it has to do with the new heaven and new earth that God creates after the old heaven and earth pass away.
Is the cube to be perched on the surface of our planet?
How long is the cube supposed to exist?
Because of the dimensions given, some believe it is in the form of a cube, but there is no statement that that is the case. I did not notice any specific statement that says the city is on the surface of the earth, but I assume that might be the case. I also assume the city will last forever.
31 May 14
Originally posted by RJHindsSo the New Jerusalem is not merely temporary housing for Heaven? Is it another name for Heaven? Or are there two destinations for the saved, some going to one of those places and the rest to the other?
I also assume the city will last forever.
31 May 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIYea, I love the art, but don't like the idea of making God the Father
Certainly Renaissance painters depicted Father God as quite humanoid in looks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father_in_Western_art
to look like a human. Jesus yes, he took on our form, but most pictures
and movies make him a handsome man while scripture didn't paint him
that way, he was plain, so much so nothing about His appearance would
have drawn us to Him.
Kelly
Isaiah 53: 1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
31 May 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac III don't know. That seems to be something yet to be determined.
So the New Jerusalem is not merely temporary housing for Heaven? Is it another name for Heaven? Or are there two destinations for the saved, some going to one of those places and the rest to the other?