What created God?

tomtom232

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08 Oct 11

Nice lure by Tom Tom, the science fishes are starting to bite.

RBHILL

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by tomtom232
[b]If God created the universe then what created God?

who cares, there is no need to know that until the next part of your life.

rvsakhadeo

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by RJHinds
If it is possible for God to raise Himself from the dead, then it is also
possibe He created Himself. All things are possible with God. But I
don't ponder such things, for to me God is and that is awesome
enough for me.

Hindu spiritualism says God is " Swayambhu " or self-creator. God cannot be described correctly or completely using human speech or conceived completely/correctly by human mind. We can usually conceive our " I " ness ( something that is distinct from our body and mind ) when our mind is calm and yet concentrated. This Self is a reflection of the Universal Self/ God just as the Sun is reflected in the water in a pot.

Agerg

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by RJHinds
That's the neat thing about God, He can transcend our logic.

That's not neat, it's just silly. Under that system your god can be omnipotent AND powerless, God AND NOT God, and so on...

RJHinds

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by RBHILL
who cares, there is no need to know that until the next part of your life.

Why would you need to know it even then?

RJHinds

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by Agerg
That's not neat, it's just silly. Under that system your god can be omnipotent AND powerless, God AND NOT God, and so on...

Yes, exactly. Just like Yahshua (Jesus).

mikelom

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by Agerg
The problem I'm having immediately with the OP's argument, setting aside any mathematical ambiguities is that if god creates itself then at any such moment of creation there exists no god to create anything (otherwise its creation would not be required), rendering its creation logically impossible

The problem I have is that the opening post makes the immediate assumption there is a God, and too many people fall for assumptions..........

-m.

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by mikelom
The problem I have is that the opening post makes the immediate assumption there is a God, and too many people fall for assumptions..........

-m.

That's a valid point - though for my part I assume *only* for the sake of argument

RJHinds

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by mikelom
The problem I have is that the opening post makes the immediate assumption there is a God, and too many people fall for assumptions..........

-m.

There is no assumption. It is true. There is one God.

googlefudge

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by RJHinds
There is no assumption. It is true. There is one God.

Which is an assertion of fact which you can't make without valid proof.

You don't have valid proof thus you can't make the assertion of fact.

RJHinds

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by googlefudge
Which is an assertion of fact which you can't make without valid proof.

You don't have valid proof thus you can't make the assertion of fact.

The heavens and the earth is proof enough for me.

googlefudge

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by RJHinds
The heavens and the earth is proof enough for me.

The universe is not evidence or proof of god.

You fail to understand the meaning of proof.

RJHinds

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by googlefudge
The universe is not evidence or proof of god.

You fail to understand the meaning of proof.

Maybe, that is why I believe and you don't. Our standard of proof is
different.

Nicksten

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by wolfgang59
God is created from a singularity arising from the collapse of the previous god.

Lol what the heck are you talking about?

Nicksten

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08 Oct 11

Originally posted by sonhouse
Why does it have to be a HE?

Well it is quite easy....God is a He, Him, Lord etc. In Christianity that is the way we write.
In America, the correct spelling for colour is color, everywhere else it is spelled colour if i'm not mistaken. If you have such a big issue with the way we praise our God and how we refer to Him in our comments, just ease yourself that there are bigger issues with basics in the world.