What do you owe God?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe God is perfect and I can see we are not. If you don't think we
are twisted then why do we see all the rapes, murders, lying, stealing,
and all around hateful actions people do with other people? So those are
the constants in this world, and I believe this break was at the fall of man.
Kelly

If you think we are such a defective product, then take up the issue with our putative creator.

Originally posted by LemonJello
If you think we are such a defective product, then take up the issue with our putative creator.

I believe He saving as many can be. Once that is done, evil will be dealt
with and that will be that.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe He saving as many can be. Once that is done, evil will be dealt
with and that will be that.
Kelly

Not sure what that means....

Originally posted by LemonJello
Your views are troubling. You often exude such a self-loathing view of human nature and yet you think our creator is beyond reproach. Are you consistent on this type of reasoning? If you went to the store and bought a watch that turned out to be defective, who (if anyone) would you blame for it?

Nice question using a Creationist analogy.

I wonder why it went unanswered???????????

Originally posted by LemonJello
Not sure what that means....

He is saving as many as possible. Not sure if you are confused about
what that means or not. Evil the core trouble in all of this is going to be
delt a blow that will last forever, it will be done with once and for all.
I think that is simple too, not sure if you are confused there either?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe He saving as many can be. Once that is done, evil will be dealt
with and that will be that.
Kelly

WTF? I think your avatar does a disservice to the Scarecrow.

Originally posted by Soothfast
WTF? I think your avatar does a disservice to the Scarecrow.

Your contribution to the discussion is awe inspiring.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe He saving as many can be. Once that is done, evil will be dealt
with and that will be that.
Kelly

when he deals with 'evil' what exactly will he be dealing with? as god was unable to stop evil coming into existence in the first place, how is he going to stop it happening again? if he can eradicate it, doesnt that mean he knew how to defeat it when it first sprung into existence?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
when he deals with 'evil' what exactly will he be dealing with? as god was unable to stop evil coming into existence in the first place, how is he going to stop it happening again? if he can eradicate it, doesnt that mean he knew how to defeat it when it first sprung into existence?

I can give you what I think is going on, which is in God's creation there are
no robots. So what would be different is that creation will have seen evil
played out so completely in our lives. This would in my opinion help
everyone avoid it where before that was not the case. Before evil was just
another way of doing things, so if God had judged evil as bad without all
seeing it for what it was, than God's whole creation could question if it
was really justified. Judgment day will not only be God condemning evil,
but the whole of creation will too in my opinion, because we will have seen
it for what it is.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I can give you what I think is going on, which is in God's creation there are
no robots. So what would be different is that creation will have seen evil
played out so completely in our lives. This would in my opinion help
everyone avoid it where before that was not the case. Before evil was just
another way of doing things, so if God had judged evil as ...[text shortened]... e whole of creation will too in my opinion, because we will have seen
it for what it is.
Kelly

not sure im following you here, are you trying to say god needs us to understand evil before he will eradicate it?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
not sure im following you here, are you trying to say god needs us to understand evil before he will eradicate it?

I'm giving you my opinion, and I'm of the opinion that evil in this world was
given its shot to show itself for what it is. Once it was on display it revealed
itself without anything being held back. To avoid that again in my opinion
God could have made robots, or God could have blasted those that turned
to evil not giving it a chance. Robots you don't have free will so no choice,
the other the Creation would just wonder what was so bad that God blasted
those, which could have lead to more grief.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
not sure im following you here, are you trying to say god needs us to understand evil before he will eradicate it?

I don't believe God needed, but we needed it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm giving you my opinion, and I'm of the opinion that evil in this world was
given its shot to show itself for what it is. Once it was on display it revealed
itself without anything being held back. To avoid that again in my opinion
God could have made robots, or God could have blasted those that turned
to evil not giving it a chance. Robots you don't ...[text shortened]... just wonder what was so bad that God blasted
those, which could have lead to more grief.
Kelly

do you think if you were you but with your capacity to do evil removed that you would be the same as a robot?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
do you think if you were you but with your capacity to do evil removed that you would be the same as a robot?

I think if I were not given a chance to make a choice I would be.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I think if I were not given a chance to make a choice I would be.
Kelly

why would not being able to do evil mean that you have no choices in life. you would still have billions of decisions to make. is having the option to do evil integral to who you are?