02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleWhich bit do you think I should retract? Why is my question about the translation of the words, the seemingly deliberate lack of capitalization ~ in conjunction with the deliberate omission of the definite article ~ in your view, not relevant?
If you would like to redact the statement, though, you can feel free to do so. You can also just say something like... I don't always write relevant content in my posts, and that isn't important.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleIf you're not interested in what the Jehovah's Witnesses did with the version of the Bible they translated especially for themselves, then that's OK by me. If you are not sharp enough to spot the linguistic 'sleight of hand' in galveston75's post, or STILL can't see it when it is pointed out to you, then that's OK by me too.
Alright, cool,,so what is the main point, then?
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfIt does not matter whether we render it as the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit in English. That is my big point.
Which bit do you think I should retract? Why is my question about the translation of the words, the seemingly deliberate lack of capitalization ~ in conjunction with the deliberate omission of the definite article ~ in your view, not relevant?
And I do not mean to like.. use that interrogative, insistent, "nail your tail to the board of yoru previous statement" tactic. I think it's not a good way to discuss things. I used it on you just a little, because you have used it on me, and hope that you would feel something like... "Yeah, maybe I should just be a bit more cooperative in dsicussions."
That's all.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleTake it up with galveston75 then and stop being an oaf.
It does not matter whether we render it as the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit in English. That is my big point.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleLike I said, if you are not sharp enough to spot the linguistic tricks used in galveston75's post to substantiate his organization's ideology, even when it's pointed out to you point blank, then that is a matter for you.
And I do not mean to like.. use that interrogative, insistent, "nail your tail to the board of yoru previous statement" tactic. I think it's not a good way to discuss things. I used it on you just a little, because you have used it on me, and hope that you would feel something like... "Yeah, maybe I should just be a bit more cooperative in dsicussions."
02 Feb 18
I think you are missing the point.
The first point, and the biggest point, is that i want us to talk to each other as adults on a friendly basis. I don't want to sit here and accuse you or have bad blood and duels with you over dumb things.
The second point, and the lesser one, is that I think there is zero difference between the Holy Ghost / Holy Spirit and wondered why you were pointing that out. The only thing that matters is the original rendering in Greek.
Do you see my point?
02 Feb 18
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Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleNo I am well aware of what is happening here. You have enough difficulty holding it together ~ and you are exhibiting a bit of an integrity deficit too ~ just being yourself; so you are never going to prosper if you start pretending stuff or being disingenuous.
I think you are missing the point.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleGoodness gracious, you are still absolutely clueless. Maybe you're not pretending. I kind of hope that you are.
The second point, and the lesser one, is that I think there is zero difference between the Holy Ghost / Holy Spirit and wondered why you were pointing that out.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleThere's a question waiting for you here on Thread 175779
The first point, and the biggest point, is that i want us to talk to each other as adults on a friendly basis.
02 Feb 18
FMF, you need to calm down. We can have a friendly dialogue.
Will you be friendly and kind if I write a second answer in the spirituality forum?
By the way... You can be honest with me. What's the reason you do not post in the Debate section? Did you have some run ins there? I am just so curious why my post for you languishes over there and you have not gone to confront it.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleI'm not interested much in this kind of navel-gazing drivel. If you haven't got the balls to stand by what you said about rights, freedom and discrimination and apply it to my question on that other thread, so be it.
FMF, you need to calm down. We can have a friendly dialogue.
Will you be friendly and kind if I write a second answer in the spirituality forum?
By the way... You can be honest with me. What's the reason you do not post in the Debate section? Did you have some run ins there? I am just so curious why my post for you languishes over there and you have not gone to confront it.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleIf I may:
OK, let me try to show you what I am curious about, FMF.
I am going to put, between two quotation marks, something that you wrote.
After the quotation, marked with the symbols ^ and ^ will be my question about it.
I want you to pay special attention to the area in between ^ and ^ and answer my question. I think it is relevant because you ...[text shortened]... y something like... I don't always write relevant content in my posts, and that isn't important.
I believe your misunderstanding here is based on the age-old "Holy Spirit vs. Holy Ghost" thing which went around some years back. As far as I can determine, this is just semantics. To me, there seems to be zero difference between speaking of it as "Holy Ghost" or "Holy Spirit". To me, and to most Christians, the terms are interchangeable.
The point you ARE missing is that galveston is leaving out the definite article "the", which his Bible, the unbiblical "New World Translation" (the translation the Jehovah's Witnesses paid for in order to present their already-developed dogma as somehow "legitimate" ) leaves off the definite article, just exactly like they insert the indefinite article "a" into John 1:1.
So, in effect, the poignant part of FMF's quote is what I've bolded here:
"what about the numerous Bibles that translate it as "the Holy Ghost"? "
It's not the somewhat pedantic differences some people claim between "Holy Spirit" and "Holy Ghost".
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleYou don't need to be a mind reader. You just need to be a reader. Go and look at what galveston75 is attempting to establish through the language he uses in his post, and then look at my observations on that, and then read the explanation I gave you at the bottom of page 5. Just read and stop acting the fool. This is about galveston75's claim/belief.
Are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost would have a different potential meaning?
I am not a mind reader.
02 Feb 18
Originally posted by @jacob-vervillePM me if you want.
You can be honest with me. What's the reason you do not post in the Debate section?