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11 Mar 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI would very much like to see you convince all the non- christians on the planet of that. I suggest you first begin with the atheists (dont worry there a push over compared to muslims).
No offense intended, but why look at imitations when you have the bona fide? To be sure, there are plenty of knock-offs from which to choose, a veritable smorgasbord to suit any number of tastes. Truth is subject to easy 'cut and paste' treatments these days; however, even these attacks cannot erode its existence.
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by Conrau KAs the atheist is beginning from a totally indefensible position, you may wish to rethink that stance.
I would very much like to see you convince all the non- christians on the planet of that. I suggest you first begin with the atheists (dont worry there a push over compared to muslims).
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by StarrmanHaven't you heard? The atheist is committed to the claim that the universe came from nothing. From nothing! 😲
Lol, what? Perhaps you'd care to justify such a ludicrous claim.
EDIT: And are you going to post that list?
But, as everyone knows, nothing comes from nothing, because everything that exists has to have a cause!
Except God, He doesn't have to have a cause! Hooray for God!
[Refute at your leisure.]
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by bbarrSilly me, there was me imagining things like burdens of proof and logical consitency. I surely am a dolt.
Haven't you heard? The atheist is committed to the claim that the universe came from nothing. From nothing! 😲
But, as everyone knows, nothing comes from nothing, because everything that exists has to have a cause!
Except God, He doesn't have to have a cause! Hooray for God!
[Refute at your leisure.]
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by StarrmanIn order to state that there is no proof for God's existence, the atheist would have to know all alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence. But, since he cannot know all things, he cannot logically state there is no proof for God's existence.
Lol, what? Perhaps you'd care to justify such a ludicrous claim.
EDIT: And are you going to post that list?
At best, an atheist can only state that of all the alleged proofs he has seen thus far, none have worked. He could even say that he believes there are no proofs for God's existence. But then, this means that there is the possibility that there is a proof or proofs out there and that he simply has not yet encountered one.
Nevertheless, if there was a proof that truly did prove God's existence, would the atheist be able to accept it given that his presuppositions are in opposition to the existence of God? In other words, given that the atheist has a presuppositional base that there is no God, in order for him to accept a proof for God's existence, he would have to change his presuppositional base. This is not easy to do and would involve a major paradigm shift in the belief structure of the atheist. Therefore, an atheist is presuppositionally hostile to any proofs for God's existence and is less likely to be objective about such attempted proofs.
List? Why, I thought you'd never ask.
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by bbarrWell, at least someone here has boiled the issue down to faith. Thank you for your keen analytical perspective.
Haven't you heard? The atheist is committed to the claim that the universe came from nothing. From nothing! 😲
But, as everyone knows, nothing comes from nothing, because everything that exists has to have a cause!
Except God, He doesn't have to have a cause! Hooray for God!
[Refute at your leisure.]
11 Mar 06
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Originally posted by FreakyKBH
In order to state that there is no proof for God's existence, the atheist would have to know all alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence.
This is a false premise. If you applied this premise to everything, you would not be allowed to disbelieve anything whatsoever. You clearly have no real understanding of the atheist position. As such the rest of your post is nonsense.
11 Mar 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHHave you heard of induction?
In order to state that there is no proof for God's existence, the atheist would have to know all alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence. But, since he cannot know all things, he cannot logically state there is no proof for God's existence.
At best, an atheist can only state that of all the alleged ...[text shortened]... ely to be objective about such attempted proofs.
List? Why, I thought you'd never ask.
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12 Mar 06
Originally posted by Conrau KIsa 40:21-26
What is this "God"?
21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
23 He brings the princes to nothing; he makes the judges of the earth useless.
24 Scarcely shall they be planted, Scarcely shall they be sown, Scarcely shall their stock take root in the earth, when He will also blow on them, and they will wither, and the whirlwind will take them away like stubble.
25 "To whom then will you liken Me, or to whom shall I be equal?" says the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and see who has created these things, who brings out their host by number; he calls them all by name, by the greatness of His might and the strength of His power; not one is missing.
(NKJ)