Who Owns Truth Anyway ?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why don't you ask those who are trying to prove that its inspired? That would not be me as I have repeatedly stated ad nauseum.

So you cannot or will not, here and now, categorically state that you believe the Bible is divinely inspired? That is a peculiar stance to take.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes I understand that but you claim some kind of lack of evidence outside the Bible itself. This is an appeal to ignorance.

It is only an "appeal to ignorance" if you can show what evidence there is outside the Bible ~ that it is divinely inspired ~ that he is ignorant of.

Originally posted by FMF
So you cannot or will not, here and now, categorically state that you believe the Bible is divinely inspired? That is a peculiar stance to take.

whatever you say it must be true.

Originally posted by FMF
It is only an "appeal to ignorance" if you can show what evidence there is outside the Bible ~ that it is divinely inspired ~ that he is ignorant of.

Its an appeal to what is not known rather than what actually is known and may infact be unknowable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
What is it about 'I am not contending if they are inspired or not', that yet fails you?

Was it in English or a foreign language? perhaps it was flowery and verbose? in a coded message written with invisible ink? perhaps it was encrypted using 128 data bits and you don't have the public or private key? Perhaps it was written in hieroglyphics or a ...[text shortened]... g whether they [the Biblical scriptures] are actually inspired or not.
Is that helping any?[/b]

You are being rather silly now Robbie. The stories in the bible were written by men. Many other stories are also written by men. Do you contend that all stories are divinely inspired? No, of course not. Is it necessary to prove that they are not? I do not think so. The only reason that we are even considering this issue is because it is claimed within the bible that they are divinely inspired. In a book, written by men, collected by men with the obvious intention of controlling other men through their belief. It is not necessary to prove that the fantastic claims therein are false, and it is asinine to claim otherwise.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its an appeal to what is not known rather than what actually is and may infact be unknowable.

So you concede that it may in fact be unknowable and yet still think there is some burden on him to prove your truth claim that the Bible is divinely inspired (that you have made many times in the past) is untrue? It seems, in fact, that your claims about the Bible are an appeal to what is not known, aside from the circular logic that the text contains claims about itself.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
You are being rather silly now Robbie. The stories in the bible were written by men. Many other stories are also written by men. Do you contend that all stories are divinely inspired? No, of course not. Is it necessary to prove that they are not? I do not think so. The only reason that we are even considering this issue is because it is claimed withi ...[text shortened]... sary to prove that the fantastic claims therein are false, and it is asinine to claim otherwise.

yes I understand that you believe this avalanchethecat but as yet you have not stated why you profess it other than to say that its a kind of ephemeral sentiment that you harbour. The entire it was created by men to control other men i have never found very convincing. I am not asking you to prove anything. What I am asking you for is something more substantive than 'its true because I say its true'.

Originally posted by FMF
So you concede that it may in fact be unknowable and yet still think there is some burden on him to prove your truth claim that the Bible is divinely inspired (that you have made many times in the past) is untrue? It seems, in fact, that your claims about the Bible are an appeal to what is not known, aside from the circular logic that the text contains claims about itself.

I am not asking him to prove anything. Are you sure your reading comprehension is up to scratch, you seem very jaded and have barely the ability to assimilate simple sentences.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
What I am asking you for is something more substantive than 'its true because i say its true'.

But it's you who believe the Bible is divinely inspired. It is you who is saying 'it's true because I say it's true' and offering nothing.

Originally posted by FMF
But it's you who believe the Bible is divinely inspired. It is you who is saying 'it's true because I say it's true' and offering nothing.

I am arguing from a position of neutrality. I cannot help it if despite being told repeatedly you cannot grasp this simple fact.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not asking him to prove anything.

Well then. You haven't been able to prove the Bible is divinely inspired and/or you're not claiming it is, and you are not asking him to prove anything. There seems to be no issue at stake.

Originally posted by FMF
Well then. You haven't been able to prove the Bible is divinely inspired and/or you're not claiming it is, and you are not asking him to prove anything. There seems to be no issue at stake.

I am not trying not prove anything repeated now for about the sixth or seventh time. I am asking avalanchethecat for his opinion, which he gave although it was rather flimsy.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes I understand that you believe this avalanchethecat but as yet you have not stated why you profess it other than to say that its a kind of ephemeral sentiment that you harbour. The entire it was created by men to control other men i have never found very convincing. I am not asking you to prove anything. What I am asking you for is something more substantive than 'its true because I say its true'.

It is a magical and outlandish claim.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am arguing form a position of neutrality.

The 'position of neutrality' with regard to texts that no one disputes were written by men is that they were not divinely inspired until someone who believes they were demonstrates it to be so.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
It is a magical and outlandish claim.

yes but being magical and outlandish does not necessitate that its uninspired, does it.