22 Apr 15
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Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by divegeester
I'm sorry, was that a yes or a no to my question?
"I accept that, sincerely. Here then is my direct question:
Do you believe that I deserve to burn in hell for eternity because I reject the doctrine of burining in hell for eternity?"
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
None of us "deserve" anything now or ever from Sovereign God. At the moment of faith alone in Christ alone we receive the permanent grace gift of relationship with God and eternal life with Him in heaven. After salvation, He expects us to grow to maturity by acquiring the Mind of Christ which enables us to understand absolute truths revealed in the Word of God; it does not teach that any Member of God's Royal Family will be "burining in hell for eternity". Alternative: remain an infant.
Originally posted by divegeester
I'm sorry, was that a yes or a no to my question?
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"For God [the Father] did not send the Son into the world to judge the world [individual men and women]; but that the world [inhabitants of planet earth whose volitions chooses to accept rather than reject His grace gift of salvation and eternal lfe] ] should be saved through Him." (John 3:17) How then can I or any other believer in Christ judge the words and behaviour of any man or woman? It'd neither my prerogative nor responsibility to do so today or ever. My motivation is to please God, not to incur His warning or intensive or dying discipline. If there's a Pub in Heaven which serves Disciples' Barley Beer, the first and last rounds and the Fish and Chips are on me. -Bob
22 Apr 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYour reluctance to commit either way is noted, thanks for your input.
Originally posted by divegeester
"I accept that, sincerely. Here then is my direct question:
Do you believe that I deserve to burn in hell for eternity because I reject the doctrine of burining in hell for eternity?"
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]None of us "deserve" anything now or ...[text shortened]... serves Disciples' Barley Beer, the first and last rounds and the Fish and Chips are on me. -Bob[/b]
Originally posted by FMFIf you have a problem with somebody, I imagine you'd be adult and bring it up with them, instead of painting everyone in their group with the same brush.
I find Grampy Bobby's evasive behaviour fascinating.
In fact Christians here quite often cannot bring themselves to address each other about disagreements directly. I remember a few months back, you and josephw could not bring yourselves to confront sonship on the grotesque eternal torture ideology ["perfect justice"] that lies at the very heart of his Christ ...[text shortened]... der if it's just the way you are as people or does your religiosity have anything to do with it.
Btw, the answer to your question is neither, but you knew that.. If you're going to give someone an either/or, the least you could do is provide one option that exists within the realm of truth.
Originally posted by FMFAnd please do not expect Christians to do your Christian-scourging for you.
I find Grampy Bobby's evasive behaviour fascinating.
In fact Christians here quite often cannot bring themselves to address each other about disagreements directly. I remember a few months back, you and josephw could not bring yourselves to confront sonship on the grotesque eternal torture ideology ["perfect justice"] that lies at the very heart of his Christ ...[text shortened]... der if it's just the way you are as people or does your religiosity have anything to do with it.
If Christ himself were here, you'd have him tied to the whipping post, too.
23 Apr 15
Originally posted by SuzianneWhat makes you say this? Surely you can see that it is the behaviour of some of His followers here that I take issue with. Why would I 'tie Christ to a whipping post'? When I criticize people like you or RJHinds, I am criticizing you for the way you carry on, not Christ for his teachings.
If Christ himself were here, you'd have him tied to the whipping post, too.
23 Apr 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBut why don't you direct your 'Christians are not presume to judge others' exhortations at posters like Suzianne and RJHinds who are Christians who presume to judge others over and over and over again on this forum?
My "reluctance" is motivated by the commands of God's Word that we not presume to judge others; nowhere in His Word are we authorized to do so. Choose to do otherwise at your own peril.
23 Apr 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMy relationship with God is not dependent on acceptance by other Christians, atheists, or cult members such as yourself. Being part of a "group" has no appeal to me, in fact I find it objectionable. What I am interested in is the dynamic of the attitudes and behaviours of these groups, such as the one here in this forum which I've mentioned.
and you cannot get in, bwahahah. Get your money back at the door!
23 Apr 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI think you know that you are being evasive now.
My "reluctance" is motivated by the commands of God's Word that we not presume to judge others;
nowhere in His Word are we authorized to do so. Choose to do otherwise at your own peril.
Surely you understand the difference between "judging" someone, and showing "discernment" of their statements. Or are you saying that you cannot therefore publically disagree with any other member here as that is "judging" them?
23 Apr 15
Originally posted by FMF
But why don't you direct your 'Christians are not presume to judge others' exhortations at posters like Suzianne and RJHinds who are Christians who presume to judge others over and over and over again on this forum?
Christians are often accused of being judgmental. However, what most people consider to be judgmental is merely telling others what the Bible says are unacceptable behaviors. Christians tell others what the Bible says about behavior because we are commanded to do so, so that others may lead morally acceptable lives. However, we are specifically commanded not to judge the behavior of individuals for whom we do not have absolute certainty of the truth regarding their actions. The Christian Church is to remove sin from within its own ranks first and foremost before condemning the actions of outsiders.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_are_christians_judgmental.html
23 Apr 15
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Originally posted by divegeester“Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.” (Ephesians 4:32) “...bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.” (Colossians 3:13) “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.” (1Corinthians 13:4) "Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,' says the Lord." (Romans 12:19)
I think you know that you are being evasive now.
Surely you understand the difference between "judging" someone, and showing "discernment" of their statements. Or are you saying that you cannot therefore publically disagree with any other member here as that is "judging" them?
I "understand" commandments given in the Word of God. Forgive, forgive, forgive.... Resolve any significant differences in private.