@secondson saidShortsighted?
Because it's limited by the temporal.
You seem to be interested in the spiritual, but it seems you limit the extent of the experience of the spiritual to the finite and material. Notwithstanding your attempts to spiritualize human experience within the realm of the temporal.
The scope of things spiritual relative to the idea of life being limited by time is shortsighted at best.
@secondson saidFeeling that death is abhorrent and/or fearing death - and generally struggling to come to terms with death - is perhaps one of the psychological building blocks of almost all religions.
Yes. Death as an option compared to eternal life is abhorrent.
@fmf saidOn the contrary, having eternal life, as I do in fact have it presently, makes the life I'm living in the here and now all the more joyful and meaningful knowing that in eternity what I do in this life will be reflected in the next.
I understand that you prefer to think that you have eternal life than to think you don't but I don't see how that hope/expectation enhances your appreciation of the life you're living now; it would make more sense if you were claiming that the prospect of eternal life renders the life you are living now meaningless.
@secondson saidI think the Catholic priest character in the comedy cited in the OP was speaking to people like you:
Yes. Death as an option compared to eternal life is abhorrent.
"Why believe in something awful when you can believe in something wonderful?"
@secondson saidI get that you are asserting that it makes life more joyful and meaningful but you're not really saying why? Do you mean it gives you purpose, rules, fellowship with people who share your religious beliefs? "More joyful and meaningful" in that way?
On the contrary, having eternal life, as I do in fact have it presently, makes the life I'm living in the here and now all the more joyful and meaningful knowing that in eternity what I do in this life will be reflected in the next.
@fmf saidAnd your preference for annihilation is not evidence for the cessation of life after death.
The preference you have for the notion that you have eternal life is not evidence of eternal life.
I know I have eternal life, and you know you don't. It's as simple as that, and that's all it is.
@secondson saidHow will it be "reflected"?
in eternity what I do in this life will be reflected in the next.
@fmf saidIt is within the capacity of the human intellect to conceive of all manner of things that are not real.
It is within the capacity of the human intellect to conceive of being able to walk around invisible, talk to dead people in a seance, or to practice clairvoyance, but this capacity is not evidence that any of those things are real.
That's why God gave us His Word, so that our "intellect" isn't deceived by the lie.
Of which that God doesn't exist is foremost.
@secondson saidIt's not a "preference". It's a realization. It's acceptance. It's being at peace with it. You say you have proof that all 100 billion or so humans who have ever lived are still living in some shape or form, but you are refusing to say what it is? Is it the religious doctrine you subscribe to? Is that your proof?
And your preference for annihilation is not evidence for the cessation of life after death.
@secondson saidWho is telling this "lie"?
It is within the capacity of the human intellect to conceive of all manner of things that are not real.
That's why God gave us His Word, so that our "intellect" isn't deceived by the lie.
Of which that God doesn't exist is foremost.
@secondson saidYou have filled the God figure shaped hole in your life then.
LOL
God said so.
@fmf saidWouldn't knowing that each "fix" is certain more precious than the uncertainty of not knowing when or where the next will come from?
Having an unlimited supply of heroin is not going to make the savouring of each fix more precious. Unless you mean 'worth a lot of money' when you use the word "precious"?
@secondson saidI think spirituality pertains to our capacity to speculate about ourselves given our faculty for abstraction and philosophizing a.k.a. our human spirit. I think religiosity is one of the products of this.
It is within the capacity of the human intellect to conceive of all manner of things that are not real.