11 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFyou are entitled to your opinion, the fact of the matter remains, the assertion was
You asked, "how are you going to explain away all those that have
overcome all manner of difficulties and adverse circumstances after coming to an accurate knowledge of the Christ and his teachings?"
Well the answer is that we no more have to "explain away" that than we have to "explain away" a whole host of non-Christ related ways or reasons people "overco ...[text shortened]... religion is real, therefore a call for "empirical evidence" is a red herring, I think.
made that people have come to Christ and remained 'laden', clearly its not the case for
all persons and many have been helped, through an application of Christian teaching to
overcome their burdens and have been refreshed. references to Mohammedans or
breaking free from 'organised religion', whatever that means negates this how? that is
correct, its irrelevant.
11 Jun 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNot all people who are Christians "overcome all manner of difficulties and adverse circumstances" because of their religion. Talk of "empirical evidence" is a red herring.
you are entitled to your opinion, the fact of the matter remains, the assertion was
made that people have come to Christ and remained 'laden', clearly its not the case for
all persons and many have been helped, through an application of Christian teaching to
overcome their burdens and have been refreshed. references to Mohammedans or
breakin rganised religion', whatever that means negates this how? that is
correct, its irrelevant.
11 Jun 12
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Originally posted by FMFNo one is making the claim that it is exclusive to christians, another logical fallacy, try
Not all people who are Christians "overcome all manner of difficulties and adverse circumstances" because of their religion. Talk of "empirical evidence" is a red herring.
sticking to the script or continue to build straw houses, big bad wolf will be along any
minute.
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell the answer is that we no more have to "explain away" your religion as a catalyst for change than we have to "explain away" a whole host of non-Christ related catalysts or ways or reasons people "overcome all manner of difficulties and adverse circumstances".
empirical evidence, nil! Indeed how are you going to explain away all those that have overcome all manner of difficulties and adverse circumstances after coming to an accurate knowledge of the Christ and his teachings, hmmm?
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFagain this is more irrelevancy, the assertion was made not with regard to anything
Well the answer is that we no more have to "explain away" your religion as a catalyst for change than we have to "explain away" a whole host of non-Christ related catalysts or ways or reasons people "overcome all manner of difficulties and adverse circumstances".
other than the teachings of the Christ and its efficacy for helping people over come all
manner of ills, citing the teachings of others is relevant how? does that explain why
Christian teaching is effective or otherwise in helping people overcome their burdens,
hardly, man, you have to reel you people in constantly.
11 Jun 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am inclined to think their Christian beliefs were simply a crutch. Even if prayers were a successful crutch in a dire situation, it says nothing objective at all about the reality of what they believed in or even the content of the prayers. So Christians getting a fillip from praying does not need to be "explained away" any more than any other emotional crutch needs to be.
again this is more irrelevancy, the assertion was made not with regard to anything
other than the teachings of the Christ and its efficacy for helping people over come all
manner of ills, citing the teachings of others is relevant how? does that explain why
Christian teaching is effective or otherwise in helping people overcome their burdens,
hardly, man, you have to reel you people in constantly.
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCould you explain to me how you arrive at this number of 1x10^113?
lets say you chance upon a protein at 1x10^113, what next? lets put it in perspective,
shall we, it is known that some proteins serve as structural materials and others as
enzymes. The latter speed up needed chemical reactions in the cell. Without such help,
the cell would die. Not just a few, but 2,000 proteins serving as enzymes are needed ...[text shortened]...
I think we can agree an outrageously small probability. Back of the net kidz! nom nom nom!
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFHere is the verse again, his time from the New world translation,
I ma inclined to think their Christian beliefs were simply a crutch. Even if prayers were a successful crutch in a dire situation, it says nothing objective at all about the reality of what they believed in or even the content of the prayers. So Christians getting a fillip from praying does not need to be "explained away" any more than any other emotional crutch needs to be.
(Matthew 11:28-30) . . .Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will
refresh you. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and
lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for your souls. For my yoke is kindly and
my load is light.”
where does this scripture provide the basis for the assertion that prayers are a crutch,
if you please.
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe has explained it to you robbie you are ust not listening, againš
again this is more irrelevancy, the assertion was made not with regard to anything
other than the teachings of the Christ and its efficacy for helping people over come all
manner of ills, citing the teachings of others is relevant how? does that explain why
Christian teaching is effective or otherwise in helping people overcome their burdens,
hardly, man, you have to reel you people in constantly.
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am not claiming that the literature of your religion supports my claim that the literature is a crutch. Why would I want or need to quote the Bible to support what I am saying?
where does this scripture provide the basis for the assertion that prayers are a crutch,
if you please.
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by FMFbecause that is what was under discussion and which fomented your now ludicrous and
I am not claiming that the literature of your religion supports my claim that the literature is a crutch. Why would I want or need to quote the Bible to support what I am saying?
absurd assertions of 'crutch', emotional or otherwise. The claim of efficacy was made
with regard to a specific reference to this verse, quoted by GB and commented upon by
Viod spirit, that you somehow now seek to distance yourself from that fact is rather
telling and i predict that the usual bickering will now ensue.
11 Jun 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat religious people may well be using prayer as a crutch [which could simply be replaced by some other crutch, depending on the circumstances and problems involved] is not a "ludicrous and absurd assertion". "Specific reference to [a] verse" in the Bible is neither here nor there.
because that is what was under discussion and which fomented your now ludicrous and
absurd assertions of 'crutch', emotional or otherwise. The claim of efficacy was made
with regard to a specific reference to this verse, quoted by GB and commented upon by
Viod spirit,
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhy waste each other's time if we're both merely temporal bags of skin and bones, signinifying nothing of significance and going nowhere?
And apparently you believe it is something more, but are reluctant to say what because you know such a discussion might destroy the myth.
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