07 Jan 23
@divegeester saidLying to make your points to amuse yourself is so sad!
Haha, I’ve been waiting for this little slippery dodge.
It’s good to know then that you DON’T think the bible is the complete, exclusive and inerrant word of God.
Finally we are in agreement 👍🏻
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07 Jan 23
@FMF Bravo! Subjectivity is the correct answer to all our discussions. That's the old ancient stance on, "man is the measure of all things." And we all use our own subjective yardstick to measure things with, including measuring others' subjective measurements. With that kind of a personal standard, one without without an objective, absolute, calibrated standard, we end up with subjectivity measuring subjectivity. In wiser words of others, we are then, on the premise that each man is the measure of things, subjected to subject knowledge being that things are to me as they appear to me, and that they are to you as they appear to you.
07 Jan 23
@pettytalk saidWhat would you use as an “objective, absolute calibrated standard”?
@FMF Bravo! Subjectivity is the correct answer to all our discussions. That's the old ancient stance on, "man is the measure of all things." And we all use our own subjective yardstick to measure things with, including measuring others' subjective measurements. With that kind of a personal standard, one without without an objective, absolute, calibrated standard, we end up ...[text shortened]... ge being that things are to me as they appear to me, and that they are to you as they appear to you.
07 Jan 23
@pettytalk saidthings are to me as they appear to me, and that they are to you as they appear to you.
In wiser words of others, we are then, on the premise that each man is the measure of things, subjected to subject knowledge being that things are to me as they appear to me, and that they are to you as they appear to you.
Sharing our personal subjective opinions is indeed all we can engage in when it comes to our speculations about unknowable or unprovable things related to supernatural matters.
07 Jan 23
@pettytalk saidThere is no "objective, absolute, calibrated standard" for "measuring" things like whether Jesus rose from the dead, whether we are reincarnated after we die [as Hindus believe], whether "God" communicated with Muhammed through an angel in a cave, or whether the creator entity - if there is one - intervenes in the universe at all.
And we all use our own subjective yardstick to measure things with, including measuring others' subjective measurements. With that kind of a personal standard, one without without an objective, absolute, calibrated standard, we end up with subjectivity measuring subjectivity.
07 Jan 23
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@divegeester saidIt shows you are a liar dive, an out-and-out liar, who does it to take pleasure in your
Yes, of course.
If you don’t believe that the bible is the inerrant, complete and exclusive word of God, then I acknowledge it and apologise for saying that you do believe that.
Thanks for clarifying anyway.
lies, and when you are confronted with your lies you are also an unrepentant liar who
refuses to apologize. Taking no please in truth, you prefer the lie, so words don't
mean squat to you.
@kellyjay saidDo you believe that the Bible is the inerrant, complete and exclusive word of God? Why not just clear up the matter?
It shows you are a liar dive, an out-and-out liar, who does it to take pleasure in your
lies, and when you are confronted with your lies you are also an unrepentant liar who
refuses to apologize. Taking no please in truth, you prefer the lie, so words don't
mean squat to you.
@kellyjay saidAt worst I misrepresented you and I have apologised.
It shows you are a liar dive, an out-and-out liar, who does it to take pleasure in your
lies, and when you are confronted with your lies you are also an unrepentant liar who
refuses to apologize. Taking no please in truth, you prefer the lie, so words don't
mean squat to you.
I wasn’t aware that you don’t regard the Bible as being the inerrant, complete and exclusive word of God. But I do know now and we can both move forward on that basis.
Again, thank you for clarifying your position on the matter.
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07 Jan 23
@divegeester saidDo you mean for me to give my subjective thoughts on the OP paragraph, as quoted below? Or perhaps you want me to also address each of the badly misunderstood, and seemingly absurd examples you elected to post, along with the general premise by our professor of philosophy, based on a gallop poll on American Christians? We need no polls to tell us about the dogmatic enslavement of the feeble minds of all Americans, and not just the religious ones. This goes for anywhere on the face of the earth, as far as I'm concerned, personally, I would think.
What do you think of the premise in the OP?
First let me tell you that I don't trust the numbers, and percentages, as hardly can a true representative sample be drawn to represent, I assume, to be, exclusively, the entire Christian population in America. The thoughts of the many literalists, based on majority alone, can never be construed as being the truth of anything. There are no specifics attached to the 30% of Americans. Who, where, when, how, and why are not given, for me to draw my own conclusions. But, just as a gesture, to show that I'm not avoiding to answer your question, I'll double down on my opening comment posted on this thread. And which is that God is literally having a big laugh with all of us. Religious scripture is literally a comedy/tragedy play written for His own amusement. Just as much as it is for His science "scripture." God, in my opinion, also created the physical world to be a study for scientists, who may some day, soon, realize who caused that Big Bang they are so enamored with, and try to pride themselves with their human genius of having come up with the best theory on the beginning of our physical universe, and on which all of them agree to be around 18 billions of years ago. Now, to some, in time, there may seem to be a big difference between 6,000 and 18,000,000,000 years, but as far as eternity is concerned, both are just two drops in an endless ocean of time. God created those absolute physical laws that govern His creation. And, just as much as with those religious animals, He also finds amusement with those other animals, the scientists who discount the possibility that MIND, indeed, disposed everything in this universe for the BEST. God being the Best Mind. In other words, there is nothing in this physical world that anyone of us should take as being literal. it's all an image, an illusion, a MIRAGE. Therefore, everything we think we know, and believe to believe in this physical world, is not to be taken as being literal, as we are all illiterate when it comes to REALITY, as only God KNOWS, and can read our thoughts, which are only opinions.
"According to a 2011 Gallup Poll, 30% of Americans believe that the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally. This is, therefore, the position of tens of millions of Americans. Presumably many, if not most, literalists believe that we merely need to consult the Bible and then the solutions to the moral and other problems we face will be unambiguously revealed. Of concern, the belief in a literal reading leaves no room for competing beliefs or understandings of the Bible. All other views are systematically condemned as wrong. This literalism has thus fostered intolerance towards others who hold different interpretations of the biblical texts”
07 Jan 23
@pettytalk saidWas my suggestion too complicated?
Do you mean for me to give my subjective thoughts on the OP paragraph, as quoted below?
@divegeester saidA back handed apology while taking a shot at me is not an apology, it is just more of your twisted nature showing itself for what it is!
At worst I misrepresented you and I have apologised.
I wasn’t aware that you don’t regard the Bible as being the inerrant, complete and exclusive word of God. But I do know now and we can both move forward on that basis.
Again, thank you for clarifying your position on the matter.
Why do you pretend to be something you are not which is apologetic for your bad behavior? It smooth over your conscience so you can live with yourself, or do you think others might not see the real you if you pretend, and not see the one you really are.
07 Jan 23
@divegeester saidYou once again saying what I believe as you apologize for saying what I believe. Just stop while you are ahead, I don’t think you know how to apologize for things you do wrong, even when you try to.
What, in my post you were replying to, was me “taking a shot at you”?