Why religion is dumb - reason 3 (lightning)

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
What are those in English?

Er... lets see now:

storge: Affection (fondness through familiarity)
philia: Friendship (a strong bond between people who share a common interest or activity)
eros: Romantic love
agape: Charitable love (love which does not depend on any loveable qualities that the object of love possesses)

Originally posted by Halitose
Er... lets see now:

eros: Romantic love

Thanks,

Science shouldn't have much problem with eros (sex). Incidentally "romantic love" was a troubadour invention.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Thanks,

Science shouldn't have much problem with eros (sex). Incidentally "romantic love" was a troubadour invention.

Yes. I think its that last one that poses the dilemma.

Originally posted by Halitose
Yes. I think its that last one that poses the dilemma.

I'm guessing here, but I think that goes with self-interest, especially in the Ayn Rand sense. Perhaps Dr. Scribbles will confirm.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I'm guessing here, but I think that goes with self-interest, especially in the Ayn Rand sense. Perhaps Dr. Scribbles will confirm.

Virtuous Egoism? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Originally posted by Halitose
Virtuous Egoism? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

The idea is that it's in your self-interest to be virtuous. I think some economic models share this idea. I couldn't say so with any authority.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The idea is that it's in your self-interest to be virtuous. I think some economic models share this idea. I couldn't say so with any authority.

Only in a society where virtue has some intrinsic worth. Its becoming extinct.

Also, you would need to broadcast all your acts of charity to get some benifit out of it.

Originally posted by Halitose
Only in a society where virtue has some intrinsic worth. Its becoming extinct.

I don't believe virtue has any intrinsic worth. It is relational in nature, and should be a verb.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I don't believe virtue has any intrinsic worth. It is relational in nature, and should be a verb.

So the situation may arise where virtue cannot be in your self interest. Lets take the extreme example of a soldier diving on a grenade to save the lives of the comrades around him.

Originally posted by Halitose
So the situation may arise where virtue cannot be in your self interest.

I'm sure. Unless you hanker after martyrdom.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I'm sure. Unless you hanker after martyrdom.

So risking your life to save your mates is martyrdom?

Originally posted by Halitose
So risking your life to save your mates is martyrdom?

No, friendship.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
No, friendship.

For arguments sake, the soldier didn't know any of his mates from a bar of soap.

Originally posted by Halitose
In this illustration, you don't know any of them from a bar of soap.

What?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
What?

Does it read better now?