Originally posted by RJHindsWell one can describe the geographic locations of all places the selection of humans lived, worked, etc... here on Earth; only like the residence of your invisible friend in the sky we can't find Garchad - indeed by your reasoning e are permitted to claim fairy tale with your bible 😵
That is the point. One way to determine a story is a fairy tale is that the geographicl locations can not be found.
The Instructor
The Destructor
19 Jun 13
Originally posted by AgergLike I said that is one way, however, one should consider all the evidence before a judgment is made, don't you think?
Well one can describe the geographic locations of all places the selection of humans lived, worked, etc... here on Earth; only like the residence of your invisible friend in the sky we can't find Garchad - indeed by your reasoning e are permitted to claim fairy tale with your bible 😵
The Destructor
The Instructor
19 Jun 13
Originally posted by RJHindsWell the thing is, you have no more evidence your god exists than I have evidence Garchad exists! Indeed the evidence in both cases is nil
Like I said that is one way, however, one should consider all the evidence before a judgment is made, don't you think?
The Instructor
The Destructor
19 Jun 13
Originally posted by AgergLike I said that is one way, however, one should consider all the evidence before a judgment is made, don't you think?
Well one can describe the geographic locations of all places the selection of humans lived, worked, etc... here on Earth; only like the residence of your invisible friend in the sky we can't find Garchad - indeed by your reasoning e are permitted to claim fairy tale with your bible 😵
The Destructor
"Officially (Guinness World Records) Amazing"
"Best selling book of non-fiction"
"Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the worlds best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but more recent estimates put the number at more than 5 billion." (OP)
Note: 5,000,000,000 Bibles Sold / 7,092,000,000 Current World Population = 70.5% Coverage
Interesting Graph from The Year 1800 to 2100: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
19 Jun 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyTry again, hint what is the sum of todays world population plus population 3 generations ago?
[b]"Officially (Guinness World Records) Amazing"
"Best selling book of non-fiction"
"Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the worlds best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, bu ...[text shortened]... eresting Graph from The Year 1800 to 2100: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou're taking some estimate for the number of bibles ever printed (or as far back as 1815 and upto 1975? if so where is your source? Indeed what kind of sales are we talking about ...publisher to retail to customer for example!?) and setting that as numerator N in your coverage ratio fraction. Meanwhile you're setting denominator D to be the number of people alive today...Now, even if we subtract from D those not of reading age/proficiency alive today , the amount we'd need to add to represent all those who have died after 1815 would dwarf that number.
Please make your point.
Further, you're forgetting how many of those have been destroyed/recycled lost or fallen foul of wear tear and weathering, over-supplied, and so your N needs to be much smaller.
As such, noting that your simple expression is just *too* simple anyway, in the fraction N/D either (or both) your N is way too big or (and) your D way too small. Consequently +70% coverage is way way too generous
Btw...writing this response on a miniscule phone (with a horrible cursor) screen is not fun - difficult to survey the whole thing till I post and edits are unwieldy...I might yet need to clarify further.
20 Jun 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThis doesn't mean anything. Bibles get old and damaged, and need to be replaced. So if old bibles have been getting replaced for over two hundred years, there's your answer as to "why".
[b]"Officially (Guinness World Records) Amazing"
"Best selling book of non-fiction"
"Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the worlds best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but ...[text shortened]... tp://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction/
"Why?"[/b]
20 Jun 13
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Originally posted by AgergOriginally posted by Grampy Bobby
You're taking some estimate for the number of bibles ever printed (or as far back as 1815 and upto 1975? if so where is your source? Indeed what kind of sales are we talking about ...publisher to retail to customer for example!?) and setting that as numerator N in your coverage ratio fraction. Meanwhile you're setting denominator D to be the number of pe survey the whole thing till I post and edits are unwieldy...I might yet need to clarify further.
"Officially (Guinness World Records) Amazing"
"Best selling book of non-fiction"
"Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the worlds best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but more recent estimates put the number at more than 5 billion.
"By the end of 1995, combined global sales of Today's English Version (Good News) New Testament and Bible (copyright for which is held by the Bible Societies) exceeded 17.75 million copies, and the whole Bible had been translated into 349 languages; 2,123 languages have at least one book of the Bible in that language.
"It has been reported that 800 million copies of the red-covered booklet Quotations from the Works of Mao Zedong (Tse-tung) were sold or distributed between June 1966, when possession became virtually mandatory in China, and September 1971, when its promoter Marshal Lin Biao died in an air crash."
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction/
"Why?"
Note: 5,000,000,000 Bibles Sold / 7,092,000,000 Current World Population = 70.5% Coverage
Interesting Graph from The Year 1800 to 2100: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
"As such, noting that your simple expression is just *too* simple anyway." (Agberg)
Since when is an off the cuff generalization definitive or authoritative?
In many realms, including chess, truth often hides in simplicity. (gb)
20 Jun 13
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Speaking of copies, the copying process seems to have been imperfect. If you have an hour and a half available, take a listen to this talk by Bart Ehrman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P0zWbL8Uqfw
If you don't have that much time, at least listen ~ 0:38.
20 Jun 13
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIThank you, Paul. I'm familiar with Mr. Ehrman's line of reasoning from direct exposure to many who have espoused it since my twenties. Net, we're the creatures facing a choice. Accept the fact that God is who and what He says He is and has revealed to us or modify and/or reject it (and invent some diminished version more to our liking). Individual call. (gb)
Speaking of copies, the copying process seems to have been imperfect. If you have an hour and a half available, take a listen to this talk by Bart Ehrman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P0zWbL8Uqfw
If you don't have that much time, at least listen ~ 0:38.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever." Isaiah 40:8 [one of 57 topic related]
http://www.openbible.info/topics/inerrancy_of_the_bible
Note: The same omniscience and omnipotence that revealed its person, plan and provisions safeguards the vehicle.
20 Jun 13
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Originally posted by sonshipAt least you have convinced us that is in parts one really boring tale.
Could you also submit a fairy tale which has biographical information similar to what we read here in the book of [b]Numbers ?[/b]
So why do we waste so much ink on the family trees of ancient Jews? Does it serve some religious purpose?
