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Originally posted by @romans1009
It was a general observation, but I would say anyone who identifies himself or herself as an atheist and who spends more than an hour a day arguing with believers that God does not exist is actually a God hater.

Either that or they’re incredibly bored and have a screw loose.

Less 'general observation' and more 'poor observation'. IMO.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re making too many assumptions. I wasn’t referring to myself when I was speaking about the Great Commission nor was I referring to anyone specific when I was referring to God haters. Why do you keep trying to personalize this conversation?

It would indeed be a bit tragic if you were to see yourself as being engaged in the "Great Commission" on this Forum while conducting yourself the way you do, so it's good to hear you distancing yourself from that.

Whether you are claiming that atheists are really theists here or elsewhere "online" doesn't really matter because it's a kind of ludicrous claim to make.

People take you at your word when you claim to be a Christian ~ if you cannot return the favour to the atheists you encounter ~ then it is you who has the deficit in terms of converiing-in-good-faith, not them.

Originally posted by @fmf
My answer: [b]I have never tried to convince anyone that their god figures do not exist. Never here, never in the 'real world'. Indeed, I have stated here on umpteen occasions that people should believe what they want and if their religious beliefs give them what they need, then that's good, especially if it helps them live their lives in a morally sound way. I ...[text shortened]... w long it is before you claim you cannot "recall" me saying this and cannot "recall" reading it.

I see you’re resorting to trolling now. First you tried unsuccessfully to personalize the conversation and, having flopped at that, you’re now going with insults.

I think you spend so much time in here to vent your anger and frustrations. If you’re not happy with your life, badgering and insulting total strangers on the Internet is not the way to improve it. You may get rid of some anger and frustrations temporarily, but, since you’re not focusing more (or any) effort on improving your lot, the anger and frustrations will return.

You need to treat the disease - not the symptoms.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Less 'general observation' and more 'poor observation'. IMO.

Do you have anything substantive to offer?

Originally posted by @romans1009
Just because you deny God exists doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist.

Just because you have a god figure does not mean that there is something "between" me and him'her/it that I must consider. You're being wilfully daft, and I would be just as wilfully daft if I suggested to you that your 'failure' to be a Hindu is "between" you and the Hindu gods.

Originally posted by @fmf
It would indeed be a bit tragic if you were to see yourself as being engaged in the "Great Commission" on this Forum while conducting yourself the way you do, so it's good to hear you distancing yourself from that.

Whether you are claiming that atheists are really theists here or elsewhere "online" doesn't really matter because it's a kind of ludicrous clai ...[text shortened]... u encounter ~ then it is you who has the deficit in terms of converiing-in-good-faith, not them.

I’m not interested in your repeated attempts to personalize this conversation so you can avoid substance and go for insults instead.

Originally posted by @fmf
Just because you have a god figure does not mean that there is something "between" me and him'her/it that I must consider. You're being wilfully daft, and I would be just as wilfully daft if I suggested to you that your 'failure' to be a Hindu is "between" you and the Hindu gods.

You’re assuming evidence for the Christian God and evidence for the Hindu “gods” are equally valid and substantive and they’re not.

Originally posted by @romans1009
I see you’re resorting to trolling now. First you tried unsuccessfully to personalize the conversation and, having flopped at that, you’re now going with insults.

I think you spend so much time in here to vent your anger and frustrations. If you’re not happy with your life, badgering and insulting total strangers on the Internet is not the way to impr ...[text shortened]... ot, the anger and frustrations will return.

You need to treat the disease - not the symptoms.

Speculating that you might forget that I said this...

I have never tried to convince anyone that their god figures do not exist. Never here, never in the 'real world'. Indeed, I have stated here on umpteen occasions that people should believe what they want and if their religious beliefs give them what they need, then that's good, especially if it helps them live their lives in a morally sound way. I was a Christian myself for the better part of thirty years so I know full well what reinforcement and sense of purpose it can provide someone with. You appear to have got completely the wrong end of the stick.

..and that you forgot that you read it, in the same way as you forgot an almost 30 page thread dedicated explicitly to answering your question about what an 'agnostic atheist' is [a thread to on which you posted repeatedly], or that you somehow forgot the answers you have received in posts addressed personally to you about what interests atheists about the topics aired in this community and so you just try to create a debating point out of how you claim not to know/remember that stuff...

...is not an "insult".

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re assuming evidence for the Christian God and evidence for the Hindu “gods” are equally valid and substantive and they’re not.

No, I am telling you that there is nothing "between" me and a supernatural being that you just so happen to believe in and which I do not believe in, in much the same way as there is nothing "between" you and a supernatural being that a billion Hindus just so happen to believe in. Your personal opinions of the evidence pertaining to the two religions have nothing to do with me.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Do you have anything substantive to offer?

Yes. This 'general observation' of yours is a continuation of your disingenuous nature. Your comments are highly personalized and bitter, and masquerading cowardly under the banner of 'general observation'.

Most 'atheists' are not God haters. Most atheists' don't believe in God. As a consequence, most 'atheists' don't promote Islam, as the idea of any deity existing is nonsensical to them. But this doesn't mean an atheist might not find concepts raised by Islam, Christianity or Hinduism interesting and worth discussing..

Do you have anything substantive to offer?

Originally posted by @fmf
Speculating that you might forget that I said this...

[b]I have never tried to convince anyone that their god figures do not exist. Never here, never in the 'real world'. Indeed, I have stated here on umpteen occasions that people should believe what they want and if their religious beliefs give them what they need, then that's good, especially if it helps t ...[text shortened]... ebating point out of how you claim not to know/remember that stuff...

...is not an "insult".

No idea what your point is but not really interested either.

Originally posted by @fmf
No, I am telling you that there is nothing "between" me and a supernatural being that you just so happen to believe in and which I do not believe in, in much the same way as there is nothing "between" you and a supernatural being that a billion Hindus just so happen to believe in. Your personal opinions of the evidence pertaining to the two religions have nothing to do with me.

As I said, the existence of God does not depend on you believing in Him. Whether you have (or will have) an issue with Him is not entirely up to you.

Originally posted by @romans1009
As I said, the existence of God does not depend on you believing in Him. Whether you have (or will have) an issue with Him is not entirely up to you.

There is nothing "between" me and the god figure that is the centrepiece of your religious beliefs. Your certainty that your god figure exists does not alter this.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Yes. This 'general observation' of yours is a continuation of your disingenuous nature. Your comments are highly personalized and bitter, and masquerading cowardly under the banner of 'general observation'.

Most 'atheists' are not God haters. Most atheists' don't believe in God. As a consequence, most 'atheists' don't promote Islam, as the idea o ...[text shortened]... ity or Hinduism interesting and worth discussing..

Do you have anything substantive to offer?

Not interested in replying to your insults as you, like FMF, seem to rely on personalizing conversations so you can go that route.

On the little substance you offered, my impression of online atheists is obviously different than yours. Because neither one of us has interacted with a large enough sample of online atheists and are unable to be certain of what they really believe, our opinions are equally valid.

In my experience, online “atheists” are great defenders and promoters of Islam. That’s been my experience. Whether you believe it or not really doesn’t matter to me.

Originally posted by @romans1009
No idea what your point is but not really interested either.

The point is this. You have read these words: I have never tried to convince anyone that their god figures do not exist. Never here, never in the 'real world'. Indeed, I have stated here on umpteen occasions that people should believe what they want and if their religious beliefs give them what they need, then that's good, especially if it helps them live their lives in a morally sound way. I was a Christian myself for the better part of thirty years so I know full well what reinforcement and sense of purpose it can provide someone with. You appear to have got completely the wrong end of the stick. If you try to pretend that you never read them in the future, you can be called out on it for being disingenuous or dishonest or not conversing in good faith. That is the point.