28 Apr 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThese two assertions of yours do not create the 'between-ness' that Romans1009 is talking about.
Well it certainly will affect you if his belief turns out to be true. In that case it does affect you but you just don't know it yet.
28 Apr 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Sentence [2] above is an example of the 'religious beliefs' you mention in sentence [1].
[1]You’re right - my religious beliefs don’t create any supernatural issue you have to deal with. [2] The existence of God does that.
28 Apr 18
Originally posted by @romans1009You can assert that your god figure has an issue with me, that's fine. But to assert that there is an issue "between" us presupposes that I think your god figure exists and that I think the issue he has with me exists. And of course, I don't.
If God exists, He has a say in whether an issue exists between you and Him. You can’t be certain God doesn’t exist. Therefore you can’t be certain that an issue doesn’t exist between you and Him.
Originally posted by @romans1009Judging by the way you are conversing with the two you have the opportunity to engage with on this thread, it is as if today is the very first experience you've ever had conversing with online atheists.
As I said earlier, my experience with online atheists (or God haters who describe themselves as atheists) goes well beyond this website.
Originally posted by @fmf"I am not sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country."
You're being trite again. If you think I am ill-informed and misanthropic about development and the positive transformation in Indonesia, then that is your prerogative. You should consider coming to Jakarta and standing up as a speaker at a meeting of Christians ~ in conjunction with people of other faiths ~ working tirelessly to make their human environment a ...[text shortened]... r, fairer, better-governed place, and then lecture them about your "Jeremiah" bumper stickerism.
You lose the thread too easily, then launch into a tirade of politically correct jargon in defense of the obvious good because you can't see the big picture. I'm all for people working together to build a better life as we see the day coming.
But labeling me misanthropic is counterproductive to the idealism you promote. It's hypocritical.
The earth is whirling through space and time with a species incapable of governing themselves is all I'm saying, looking at the long picture. When, in the history of mankind, has man allowed man to live in peace? It ain't gonna happen.
God's message of the cross is our only hope.
Originally posted by @secondsonI'm all for people working together to build a better life as we see the day coming. But labeling me misanthropic is counterproductive to the idealism you promote. It's hypocritical..
[b]"I am not sure what exact day the decision was made to block it, but it was a bad day for this country."
You lose the thread too easily, then launch into a tirade of politically correct jargon in defense of the obvious good because you can't see the big picture. I'm all for people working together to build a better life as we see the day coming. ...[text shortened]... ed man to live in peace? It ain't gonna happen.
God's message of the cross is our only hope.[/b]
No, it's not hypocritical. And it's not counterproductive. I can't think of anyone here in my part of the developing world who needs your jaundiced Christian doomsday sanctimoniousness.
Originally posted by @secondsonYeah, so said Jeremiah 2,600 years ago. There has probably never been a better time in history - and in a way that affects more people than ever before - to be alive. You'd be laughed off the stage by walk-the-walk Indonesian Christians at the kind of meeting I mentioned.
The earth is whirling through space and time with a species incapable of governing themselves is all I'm saying, looking at the long picture. When, in the history of mankind, has man allowed man to live in peace? It ain't gonna happen.
28 Apr 18
Originally posted by @secondsonWhat "big picture"? You have offered absolutely nothing but a tiny cynical peephole of ancient Hebrew mythology.
[b]You lose the thread too easily, then launch into a tirade of politically correct jargon in defense of the obvious good because you can't see the big picture./b]
Originally posted by @secondsonI suggest you write it on a sandwich board and traipse up and down the main street wherever you live.
God's message of the cross is our only hope.
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Originally posted by @fmfI’m not suggesting a relationship exists and never have because I think that takes mutual interest or at least mutual recognition of each other’s existence.
There can be nothing "between" someone and an entity that the person doesn't believe exists. If you want to assert that there is some sort one-way thing going on that involves whoever your god figure happens to be - it likes me, it loves me, it is going to torture me, it's going to make me live forever, whatever - then you can assert to your heart's content.
...[text shortened]... ddress, is all something going on entirely in your head and not mine. Remember, I am an atheist.
I’m saying an issue exists between you and God. That’s all I’ve ever said or meant.
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Originally posted by @fmfGod exists whether people believe in Him or not. You can’t be sure God does not exist. Therefore you can’t be sure an issue does not exist between you and Him. It’s really quite simple.
Sentence [2] above is an example of the 'religious beliefs' you mention in sentence [1].
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28 Apr 18
Originally posted by @fmfFine. “Between,” I think, was originally your word, but it’s irrelevant to the broader point that an issue exists between you and God, regardless of whether you acknowledge it and His existence.
You can assert that your god figure has an issue with me, that's fine. But to assert that there is an issue "between" us presupposes that I think your god figure exists and that I think the issue he has with me exists. And of course, I don't.
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28 Apr 18
Originally posted by @fmfI see you’re going for insults now. What a pity that’s your default position in most conversations.
Judging by the way you are conversing with the two you have the opportunity to engage with on this thread, it is as if today is the very first experience you've ever had conversing with online atheists.