Spirituality
14 Sep 19
14 Sep 19
@secondson saidJesus preached no such nonsense. Was Rahab the harlot born again?
Question is; how does one "enter" "the narrow gate" if they're not "born again"?
Consider the exact wording of the narrative.
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and fe ...[text shortened]... Jesus and His substitutionary atonement on the cross.
Without that there is no salvation at all.
14 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidI've never said we are not to do the things Christ says at any time, period. He isn't our Lord if we are not obeying Him, but to trust your salvation to your effort of obedience, not the work of Jesus' salvation is without a doubt, iniquity. Iniquity definition is what? What could make doing good works a bad thing? If you again want to suggest some of the things Jesus did was evil, that is on you. If Christ is our redeemer than anything outside of Christ we trust in for our redemption is iniquitous.
No. Throughout the Sermon on the Mount the teachings are the same
- wise man v the foolish man
- the narrow way v the broad way
- light v darkness
- good tree v corrupt tree
In all cases one group follows the commandments and gets eternal life and the other does not and gets damnation. This is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Not one single solitary word about believing i ...[text shortened]... r church doctrines condemn those who follow the commandments, therefore your church condemns Christ.
14 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidConvoluted nonsense. Jesus said it simply
I've never said we are not to do the things Christ says at any time, period. He isn't our Lord if we are not obeying Him, but to trust your salvation to your effort of obedience, not the work of Jesus' salvation is without a doubt, iniquity. Iniquity definition is what? What could make doing good works a bad thing? If you again want to suggest some of the things Jesus did wa ...[text shortened]... Christ is our redeemer than anything outside of Christ we trust in for our redemption is iniquitous.
Follow the commandments and you get eternal life
Do not follow the commandments and you get death
You have chosen not to follow the commandments.
You will therefore get what is coming to you.
14 Sep 19
@rajk999 saidI'd like to see those exact words used by Jesus please.
Convoluted nonsense. Jesus said it simply
Follow the commandments and you get eternal life
Do not follow the commandments and you get death
You have chosen not to follow the commandments.
You will therefore get what is coming to you.
14 Sep 19
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@rajk999 saidIt will only be good if you can produce those scriptures. I'm sure you can attempt to suggest when He says one thing, you interject He means something else, but Jesus' quote not your twisting of scripture is needed. How many times have you said to others, Jesus never said that? You claimed those were quotes from Christ plainly to produce them. When is believing not enough if works is all that is required?
Lol .. good one.
14 Sep 19
@secondson saidLet's see. First you write this:
Question is; how does one "enter" "the narrow gate" if they're not "born again"?
Consider the exact wording of the narrative.
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and fe ...[text shortened]... Jesus and His substitutionary atonement on the cross.
Without that there is no salvation at all.
Consider the exact wording of the narrative.
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Then you write this:
The "strait gate" is the cross....
So where in the "exact wording of the narrative" does it say that?
14 Sep 19
@kellyjay saidSo you gave up.
There was no hope being dead in sin. What the OT showed that we could not obey the laws, that people could not remain faithful. Even the best of us sinned and did horrible things, and in the end the whole race was going to stand before a Holy and Just God to given an account. We were powerless to alter our fate on our own.
Thanks for answering the question.
14 Sep 19
@sonship saidYou are nothing more than a bag of wind.
@BigDoggProblem
No.
Not so easy.
Why were you 'dead'?
Did you give up all hope, simply because you had flaws?
Man is a three part being - spirit and soul and body. From the inside out it is the spirit as the innermost God contacting organ, the soul as the outer vessel and the body as the outermost vessel.
The ...[text shortened]... fallen descendant of Adam is deadened. The spirit is comatose and needs to be enlivened by God.
Please refrain from future comments on my posts.
14 Sep 19
@bigdoggproblem saidIt isn't a matter of giving up; you cannot lay on the ground, and with your hands and lift yourself off the ground, it isn't possible. You cannot come back from the dead unless there is something a little divine about you than meets the eye.
So you gave up.
Thanks for answering the question.
Being disconnected from the source of both life and truth leaves us dying and in seeing through the glass darkly, unable to know the truth even when it is laid out right in front of us.
14 Sep 19
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@kellyjay saidWhat a grim life you have lived and how hopeless you seemed. Thank goodness for your superstitions. They seem to have helped you conform .
It isn't a matter of giving up; you cannot lay on the ground, and with your hands and lift yourself off the ground, it isn't possible. You cannot come back from the dead unless there is something a little divine about you than meets the eye.
Being disconnected from the source of both life and truth leaves us dying and in seeing through the glass darkly, unable to know the truth even when it is laid out right in front of us.
15 Sep 19
“The chief danger that confronts the coming century will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, politics without God, heaven without hell.”
― William Booth
The taking Christ out of our salvation is simply a man trying to be good enough by their own efforts to be thought of as righteous enough. Doing good works isn't repenting of sin, it is turning one's life over to Jesus Christ, it isn't making Him Lord, neither is walking around without the Holy Spirit within one's life.
You want Jesus to be Lord of your life you need to make Him Lord of your life, anything less is not making Him Lord of your life. The fall of man has made us sinful creatures unable to please God on our own; we need God; we need God's Spirit; we need Jesus in our lives. If we love God with all of our hearts and our neighbors, we will be taking care of all the things that require our attention.
18 Sep 19
@thinkofone saidHaven't you implied that you're intelligent? You must be experiencing a brain malfunction.
Let's see. First you write this:Consider the exact wording of the narrative.
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Then y ...[text shortened]... t gate" is the cross....[/quote]
So where in the "exact wording of the narrative" does it say that?
Jesus said, "I am the way", And in the verse in question Jesus said "narrow is the way".
Of course though, to your way of thinking, you probably think that the "way" and the "gate" are geographical locations. Your imagination is so constricted, and your thinking so stringent, you can't see the whole picture.
Jesus said, "I am the door", and "I am the true vine", and "I am the bread of life", and "I am the light of the world".
Is Jesus a door with a door knob? Is Jesus a plant? Is Jesus a loaf of bread to eat? Is Jesus a light bulb?
It's amazing to me how many intelligent people there are that are just plain stupid.
18 Sep 19
@secondson saidSecondson, Satan and Sonship all birds of a feather with the same doctrine of lipservce and mouth worship. Jesus explained exactly what He means by the way, and the narrow strait way a couple verses down but you will never quote that. You foolishly stick to your church nonsense.
Haven't you implied that you're intelligent? You must be experiencing a brain malfunction.
Jesus said, "I am the way", And in the verse in question Jesus said "narrow is the way".
Of course though, to your way of thinking, you probably think that the "way" and the "gate" are geographical locations. Your imagination is so constricted, and your thinking so stringent, yo ...[text shortened]... light bulb?
It's amazing to me how many intelligent people there are that are just plain stupid.
Verse 21 - Lord Lord Christians professing to Know Christ who are workers of iniquity will be cast out. Jesus condemns your faith alone doctrine
Verse 24 - It is those who hear Jesus commandments AND DOES THEM, these are the wise men. Jesus rewards the righteous
Verse 26 - Those who hear and does not keep the commandments are the fools.
You preach a Satanic doctrine devoid of Christ. You do not know Christ and Christ does not know you.
18 Sep 19
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@secondson saidDo you really need it broken down for you?
Haven't you implied that you're intelligent? You must be experiencing a brain malfunction.
Jesus said, "I am the way", And in the verse in question Jesus said "narrow is the way".
Of course though, to your way of thinking, you probably think that the "way" and the "gate" are geographical locations. Your imagination is so constricted, and your thinking so stringent, yo ...[text shortened]... light bulb?
It's amazing to me how many intelligent people there are that are just plain stupid.
You wrote the following:
Consider the exact wording of the narrative.
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The "strait gate" is the cross....
When the "exact wording" is considered, nowhere does it say "The 'strait gate' is the cross" as you asserted. It doesn't even mention the cross. Your assertion is false. You take the words of Jesus and make things up that have nothing to do with what He actually says.
Understand now? Any chance you'll set your pride aside, admit that you're wrong and apologize?