Young Earthers, explain this:

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have no problem with the science of approximate light speed and distances
of stars from the earth. But according to my understanding of God's word in
the Holy Bible the stars were not that far away from the earth at creation.
The stars have been moving away from the earth at varing speeds from
creation until this day. And today some scientists that ...[text shortened]... s trying to deceive us. If we ignore His word, then I think we would be
deceiving ourselves.

Do you really have trouble understanding the FACT that when you see a star today that is a million light years away (a measure of distance) that THAT IS WHERE THE STAR WAS ONE MILLION YEARS AGO?????

Originally posted by Bebop5
Do you really have trouble understanding the FACT that when you see a star today that is a million light years away (a measure of distance) that THAT IS WHERE THE STAR WAS ONE MILLION YEARS AGO?????

Ron, do you have any idea how astronomers figure the distance to stars?

Originally posted by RJHinds
He persists because deep down in his heart, he wants to know the truth.
He doesn't really know what the truth is because he had been told lies
for so long he had became to believe them. Now, he is beginning to hear
the truth and he is having trouble coming to grips with it.

yes, that is exactly why he mocks you. because he feels insecure and is inches away from shunning evolution and old earth theory.

Originally posted by humy
...but are not usually wrong if they use scientific method correctly.

Scientific method has proven the Earth to be millions of years old with a vast mountain of evidence and one would have to have some pretty strong religions reasons to either delude oneself that no such evidence exists or is literally all wrong.

sorry, misprint:
The end of that should have been “....or all that evidence is literally all wrong. “

Originally posted by Bebop5
Do you really have trouble understanding the FACT that when you see a star today that is a million light years away (a measure of distance) that THAT IS WHERE THE STAR WAS ONE MILLION YEARS AGO?????

How do you know there was a million year ago for anything to be any where in?
Kelly

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't think we should be filling in the blanks with our own imaginations.
I would need more than the possibility to add to the word of God. I will wait
until someone shows me that possibility by two witnesses in the Holly Bible
before I will consider it. Until then, I accept the Biblical account that it
happened in six days of evening and morning just as we have today and a
7th Sabbath day just as we have today.

I do too, and as I said I believe in a young universe through creation, but there
is enough there for it to be possible.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
How do you know there was a million year ago for anything to be any where in?
Kelly

Please SLOWLY re-read my posts as you apparently don't understand what it states. I am so very sorry if I have not posited my question as simply as possible. I simply cannot break it down more basically than that. If you still don't get it I can be of no further assistance to you.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The reason humans do not tell the truth on this is because of their belief system
in evolution. It is as much a part of their atheistic religion as the resurrection
of Christ is to the Christian religion. But the scientific discoveries in DNA and
RNA are delivering a death blow to the theory of evolution and if accepted will
also give atheism no legs t ...[text shortened]... stand on.

[b]DNA Refutes Evolution

http://www.dnarefutesevolution.com/confessions.html[/b]

But you tell us that you don't believe in evolution, and yet you do not tell the truth. Are we to conclude therefore that you in fact do believe in evolution and are in fact nothing more than a common troll? Or are you just talking bollocks again?


Before you trouble yourself by replying, please feel free to consider this question rhetorical.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't think we should be filling in the blanks with our own imaginations.
I would need more than the possibility to add to the word of God. I will wait
until someone shows me that possibility by two witnesses in the Holly Bible
before I will consider it. Until then, I accept the Biblical account that it
happened in six days of evening and morning just as we have today and a
7th Sabbath day just as we have today.

“...I don't think we should be filling in the blanks with our own imaginations. ..”

That is an appalling suggestion. That is equivalent to saying we should not use our intelligence i.e. we mustn’t think.
Science is partly if not mostly about “ filling in the blanks with our own imaginations” and if science is wrong then the Earth is not round and your computer cannot work. What is our imagination for if not for “ filling in the blanks”? Or is it just a sin to use imagination?

I suppose actually using ones brain i.e. thinking is a very dangerous thing from the perspective of a religious fanatic: we don't want to start thinking now, do we! We want blind faith that there is a God; NOT reason!!! Reason is a sin!!! freedom of thought is a sin!!! being intelligent is a sin!!! anything that makes you question the absurd belief that there is a god is a sin!!!

Originally posted by Bebop5
Please SLOWLY re-read my posts as you apparently don't understand what it states. I am so very sorry if I have not posited my question as simply as possible. I simply cannot break it down more basically than that. If you still don't get it I can be of no further assistance to you.

"Do you really have trouble understanding the FACT that when you see a star today that is a million light years away (a measure of distance) that THAT IS WHERE THE STAR WAS ONE MILLION YEARS AGO?????"

We’ll let us do it together okay?
You claimed you have a FACT.
I questioned your FACT by asking how do you know there was a million years
ago, how do you know? It is still a valid question, because you cannot tell
me how all of this started so all your assumptions are just based upon rates
and distances both of which are approximations as well. Think your facts
are really hypothesis on your part not facts.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
"Do you really have trouble understanding the FACT that when you see a star today that is a million light years away (a measure of distance) that THAT IS WHERE THE STAR WAS ONE MILLION YEARS AGO?????"

We’ll let us do it together okay?
You claimed you have a FACT.
I questioned your FACT by asking how do you know there was a million years
ago, how do yo ...[text shortened]... pproximations as well. Think your facts
are really hypothesis on your part not facts.
Kelly

“...how do you know there was a million years
ago, how do you know? ...”

the light coming from a star a million light years away is reason enough.
But there is a vast mountain of other evidence.

“...so all your assumptions are just based upon rates
and distances both of which are approximations as well. ...“

approximations are not “assumptions”. A star being “approximately” 100 million light years away is not an 'assumption' and it means that the universe is millions of years old even allowing for considerable error in all the approximations.

Originally posted by KellyJay
"Do you really have trouble understanding the FACT that when you see a star today that is a million light years away (a measure of distance) that THAT IS WHERE THE STAR WAS ONE MILLION YEARS AGO?????"

We’ll let us do it together okay?
You claimed you have a FACT.
I questioned your FACT by asking how do you know there was a million years
ago, how do yo ...[text shortened]... pproximations as well. Think your facts
are really hypothesis on your part not facts.
Kelly

There is no way of telling the difference between a universe that is 14 billion yrs old and a
universe created 6000 years ago to look identical to a universe 14 billion years old. (14Ga [gigaannum])

This is tautologically true.

However as there is absolutely no way of telling them apart there is no benefit to thinking
anything other than that indicated by the evidence.
Because there is equally no way to tell apart a universe 6000yrs old made to look like its 14Ga old
and one that is 6 days old and made to look 14Ga old.
Given that there are tangible scientific benefits to following the evidence and following where it leads over
simply guessing its far better to assume that the universe is the age that it appears to be until such a time
that evidence appears that makes it appear a different age.

The Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000~120,000 Light Years (LY) across.
The Andromeda galaxy (which you can see with the naked eye on a clear night) is about 2.6 Million LY
away.

These are not guesses, they are observed facts. They have error bars for sure, but this doesn't mean they
are not true, just true to a given level of precision.

Light travels at a precisely known and constant speed (in flat space in a vacuum) and thus the further away
something is the farther back in time we are seeing it.

So the star light we see coming from Andromeda left it's galaxy 2.6 Million years ago and is only just arriving.

However there are galaxy's and other objects much further away than that.
And there are all kinds of ways of determining how old things like galaxies are.
The Milky Way ages at between 12.6Ga and 16Ga (meaning it formed very shortly after the formation of the
universe)
The sun is over 4.5Ga old.

There are Literally millions of observations that have been made in many different disciplines by millions of scientists
in many different countries over the last 200 years (the time during which science in it's modern form really came into
existence) that all point to the universe and the earth being OLD. Very old.

There is precisely NONE that points to it being 6000 yrs old.

This is just wrong.

Originally posted by googlefudge
There is no way of telling the difference between a universe that is 14 billion yrs old and a
universe created 6000 years ago to look identical to a universe 14 billion years old. (14Ga [gigaannum])

This is tautologically true.

However as there is absolutely no way of telling them apart there is no benefit to thinking
anything other than that i ...[text shortened]... old.

There is precisely NONE that points to it being 6000 yrs old.

This is just wrong.

Thank you for helping to try and enlighten the (blanks) that I have posed the question to. Alas it is all for naught. As the old saying goes: "Never argue with an (blank), they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".

It is absolutely astounding though that they cannot grasp the concept of how long it takes the light that you see from most stars to arrive here.

Is it just stubborness? Or the fear that if they concede just one infallible point that their entire belief system is questioned?

Originally posted by humy
“...how do you know there was a million years
ago, how do you know? ...”

the light coming from a star a million light years away is reason enough.
But there is a vast mountain of other evidence.

“...so all your assumptions are just based upon rates
and distances both of which are approximations as well. ...“

approximations are not “assumptions”. A ...[text shortened]... verse is millions of years old even allowing for considerable error in all the approximations.

If you do not know how the universe got here, you don't know how long it has
been here, you don't know where everything was or why with respect to the
distant past due to your lack of knowledge on everythings beginning. You
assume quite a bit here, but if you want to call your assumptions facts, I'm not
surprised.
Kelly

Originally posted by RJHinds
And today some scientists that know such things say
some of the stars are moving away from the earth faster than the speed of
light.

Nothing can travel faster than light. If your statement was correct then the Theory of Relativity has been refuted and we all would have heard about it.

Can you give a link for your claim?