Originally posted by poundleeDo you know the difference between steroids and HGH? Did you bother to look at the link I provided?
Anyone who think performance enhancers had minimal effects on Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Sheffield and Palmiero (just to name five), is probably abusing their own substances.
I checked the Mitchell report; Brown is accused of getting HGH from Radomski. No steroids.
So you think people are cheating just to harm their body, risk their reputation and go to jail but don't expect to get any benefits from it? It is difficult to get data on illegal drug use because it is illegal but people aren't abusing performance enhancing susbstance and getting no benefits.
Originally posted by poundleeI won't continue to waste my time with someone who refuses to look at the facts. HGH is not an illegal drug; it is used for a number of medical conditions with few side effects. Calling it a "performance enhancer drug" is just plain wrong based on the scientific studies done to date.
So you think people are cheating just to harm their body, risk their reputation and go to jail but don't expect to get any benefits from it? It is difficult to get data on illegal drug use because it is illegal but people aren't abusing performance enhancing susbstance and getting no benefits.
HGH is gotten with a prescription just like lidicaine. It is not like asprin. The fact that people try to defend Clemens a guy hired a junkie like McNamee when he had access to free doctors if he needed medical attention is a complete joke. Clemens never had the intent to get legitimate medicine. He clearly wanted a boost and perhaps McNamee has the proof to show that Clemens is no better than he is.
Originally posted by Red NightNo you were wrong. You stated:
Soo, I was right: Kevin Brown is a cheater!
Next you'll be trying to tell us that Andy Pettitte and Kevin Brown aren't steroid-using cheaters too!
Neither are accused of using steroids and whether the use of HGH to treat injuries was "cheating" in 2001 is extremely debateable.
Originally posted by poundleeHow many times are you going to repeat this BS? McNamee was the trainer on the Toronto Blue Jays in 1998 and was later hired by the Yankees. How did you come to the conclusion that McNamee, who's claims you believe 100% BTW, is a "junkie"? Where do you get the idea that Clemens never used "legitimate medicine"????
HGH is gotten with a prescription just like lidicaine. It is not like asprin. The fact that people try to defend Clemens a guy hired a junkie like McNamee when he had access to free doctors if he needed medical attention is a complete joke. Clemens never had the intent to get legitimate medicine. He clearly wanted a boost and perhaps McNamee has the proof to show that Clemens is no better than he is.
I've never met anyone so willing to repeat over and over and over again untruths, half-truths and misleading information. You really need some help.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou say tomato.
No you were wrong. You stated:
Next you'll be trying to tell us that Andy Pettitte and Kevin Brown aren't steroid-using cheaters too!
Neither are accused of using steroids and whether the use of HGH to treat injuries was "cheating" in 2001 is extremely debateable.
I say Kevin Brown & Andy Pettitte are cheaters.
Well, it looks like McNamee dealt drugs to Clemens. I have as much respect for each of them as I do for two guys who have a drug exchange on the street. You believe Clemens when his whole story is incriminating. Rogers story of innocenece is that he let a trainer without a prescription inject him with drugs when he has free access to doctors. That in and of itself is 100% moronic. Clemens refused to speak to Mitchell. Only now, that Mitchell's independent investigation comes to the same conclusion that the US prosecutors did does Clemens want to talk. Lets see if there is a forensic conclusion or if Clemens gets charged with perjury maybe there will be a legal conclusion.
Originally posted by poundleeOver and over and over again. People who want to see refutations of any of these "arguments" are invited to check my posts on virtually any page in this thread.
Well, it looks like McNamee dealt drugs to Clemens. I have as much respect for each of them as I do for two guys who have a drug exchange on the street. You believe Clemens when his whole story is incriminating. Rogers story of innocenece is that he let a trainer without a prescription inject him with drugs when he has free access to doctors. That in and ...[text shortened]... nsic conclusion or if Clemens gets charged with perjury maybe there will be a legal conclusion.
Originally posted by no1marauderThere is no medical evidence that HGH helps you recover from an injury. No doctor would prescribe HGH as a healing agent (maybe that is why Clemens gets his drugs from a trainer and not a doctor). The fact that Brian Roberts and Andy Pettitte came up with the same ridiculous story after they were named in the Mitchell report does not in any way make it a valid medical point.
I won't continue to waste my time with someone who refuses to look at the facts. HGH is not an illegal drug; it is used for a number of medical conditions with few side effects. Calling it a "performance enhancer drug" is just plain wrong based on the scientific studies done to date.