Originally posted by CliffLandinSimple-minded answers for simple-minded viewers.
Will you ever admit that a Big 10 team was simply beaten, not because they "played bad", but because the other team played better? Your parents need to teach you to admit when you are wrong.
You were dead wrong about Michigan and you were dead wrong about OSU - should we go back and get your quotes?
Just admit it.
They were both out played and out coached.
Americans hate complex questions and utterly detest complex answers. More than two choices is too many! Coke or Pepsi? McDonalds or Burger King? Democrat or Republican? Iraq War: right or wrong?
Everything has to be black and white and the media completely panders to that desire.
Simple-minded answers to simple-minded questions: 1. Florida was so much better than OSU, OSU just didn't belong on the same field. 2. The SEC is just a much better conference than the Big Ten. OSU and Michigan were the best teams in a weak conference. Florida was the best team in a great conference.
(Totally ignoring the fact that Auburn beat Florida but lost to Arkansas who lost to Wisconsin who lost to OSU.)
The complex answer to what happened involves a plethora or factors some emotional, some coaching, some extrinisic, some involving the quality of players.
Big bowl games, both in college and the pros, are often over before they get started. Why is this?
One factor involves team psychology: Teams get beaten in their head long before they get beaten on the field. Why did Tressel go for it on 4th down on the Florida 29 yard line in the second quarter? Because he wanted "to show his team he still believed in them" They were only down 10, but the team psyche was already crumbling. Tressel saw it and reacted drastically, some would say foolishly.
Another factor that played into the Michigan and OSU losses was extrinsic.
The teams were out of their element. Warm weather and TV change the nature of the game. Play those same games in the cold without TV timeouts and you might get a completely different result.
TV slows the game. A running game depends on wearing down the other team. Run play after play after play and the other team's defense gets tired. Give that team a 2-3 minute commerical break every couple of plays and it changes the tempo of the game.
That same tempo favors passing teams. Much easier to move players in and out, change formations, and set up more complicated plays with those regular breaks.
Warm weather also favors passing at the expense of the running game.
Other things to consider:
The longer break for OSU and Mich.
USC's home field advantage.
Heisman distraction.
The psychological damage that Michigan's loss played on OSU.
Over-confidence.
Fear.
Of course, you can also reject all of these thoughts, call me some names, announce that the SEC is an inherently better conference and that the pre-bowl, season long, rankings were nothing but an east coast conspiracy to favor the Big Ten; and then go back to debating more serious issues like which Lite beer tastes better: Bud or Miller.
Originally posted by Red NightLMAO!!! Maybe you should have weighed those factors BEFORE you announced how easily Michigan and Ohio State were going to "crush" USC and Florida!
Simple-minded answers for simple-minded viewers.
Americans hate complex questions and utterly detest complex answers. More than two choices is too many! Coke or Pepsi? McDonalds or Burger King? Democrat or Republican? Iraq War: right or wrong?
Everything has to be black and white and the media completely panders to that desire.
Simple-mind go back to debating more serious issues like which Lite beer tastes better: Bud or Miller.
Red Night on November 27: It is that Michigan and OSU are clearly the best two teams in the country.
Michigan has one loss, to OSU, in Columbus, by 3 points.
By any measure you care to consider, Michigan should be # 2 in the country and when the bowls are over that is exactly where they'll be ranked unless they get into the Championship game.
How's your "predictive" powers? I managed to pick up a little extra beer money on these games BTW.
Originally posted by DelmerThe consensus among the faithful prior to the game was that the game would be a coastal victory, i.e., that the Bucks would coast to a victory. Watching the game, it appeared that the team felt the same way. They got cold-cocked from the outset and never recovered.
Lots of farmers in this area have flag poles and fly the American flag with an Ohio State U. or U. of Michigan flag flying below it. Driving around today I noticed several farms where the Ohio State flags had been lowered to half mast. Mourning in the Heartland...
They beat themselves as much as they were beat. The coaching executed by Florida was masterful.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYes, it was the same as in the Michigan game. The Big 10 coaches were out-coached. However, Urban Meyer has lots of friends and fans in this area from his years as a Bowling Green (OH) University coach and if OSU had to get beat by someone most of us were glad to see Urban Meyer be that someone, and get a #1 ranking in his personnel file.
The consensus among the faithful prior to the game was that the game would be a coastal victory, i.e., that the Bucks would coast to a victory. Watching the game, it appeared that the team felt the same way. They got cold-cocked from the outset and never recovered.
They beat themselves as much as they were beat. The coaching executed by Florida was masterful.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI'll say. That, and the Defense really stepping up to make some big plays.
The coaching executed by Florida was masterful.
I was especially intrigued by Florida's running game. At one point, the running plays were evenly distributed between the HB, WR and QB positions. Interesting, to say the least. I liked how they used their QB (Tebow) to run downhill.
Originally posted by DelmerHas anybody checked on Whodey? I thought he might want to add to the first post of this thread.
Lots of farmers in this area have flag poles and fly the American flag with an Ohio State U. or U. of Michigan flag flying below it. Driving around today I noticed several farms where the Ohio State flags had been lowered to half mast. Mourning in the Heartland...
Originally posted by darvlayTebow was unbelievable this year. He NEVER goes down from the first hit. He basically has to be gang-tackled. The Gators would insert him into a lot of short yardage situations, and even though the opponent knew he would get the ball coming out of the backfield, it was a rare feat to stop him (from getting the first down).
I'll say. That, and the Defense really stepping up to make some big plays.
I was especially intrigued by Florida's running game. At one point, the running plays were evenly distributed between the HB, WR and QB positions. Interesting, to say the least. I liked how they used their QB (Tebow) to run downhill.
As the season progressed, it got totally laughable to see other teams try to stop him, even knowing he would get the snap.
Originally posted by Red NightWell said, but there is one flaw. Michigan beat Wisconsin, not OSU.😉
Simple-minded answers for simple-minded viewers.
Americans hate complex questions and utterly detest complex answers. More than two choices is too many! Coke or Pepsi? McDonalds or Burger King? Democrat or Republican? Iraq War: right or wrong?
Everything has to be black and white and the media completely panders to that desire.
Simple-mind ...[text shortened]... go back to debating more serious issues like which Lite beer tastes better: Bud or Miller.
Simple-minded answers for simple-minded viewers.
Oh your so deep! Deep as a teardrop.
Americans hate complex questions and utterly detest complex answers. More than two choices is too many! Coke or Pepsi? McDonalds or Burger King? Democrat or Republican? Iraq War: right or wrong?
Irrelevant
Everything has to be black and white and the media completely panders to that desire.
Simple-minded answers to simple-minded questions: 1. Florida was so much better than OSU, OSU just didn't belong on the same field. 2. The SEC is just a much better conference than the Big Ten. OSU and Michigan were the best teams in a weak conference. Florida was the best team in a great conference.
In fact, Florida was a much better team on January 8th, 2007.
(Totally ignoring the fact that Auburn beat Florida but lost to Arkansas who lost to Wisconsin who lost to OSU.)
This is poor logic when it comes to sports. It just goes to show that any team on any day. By your logic Washington State is better than Michigan since they beat Oregon State who beat USC who beat (the hell out of) Michigan.
The complex answer to what happened involves a plethora or factors some emotional, some coaching, some extrinisic, some involving the quality of players.
Big bowl games, both in college and the pros, are often over before they get started. Why is this?
By this reasoning, OSU after returning the opening kickoff should have rolled to an easy win.
One factor involves team psychology: Teams get beaten in their head long before they get beaten on the field. Why did Tressel go for it on 4th down on the Florida 29 yard line in the second quarter? Because he wanted "to show his team he still believed in them" They were only down 10, but the team psyche was already crumbling. Tressel saw it and reacted drastically, some would say foolishly.
I already said that they were out-coached. Bad judgement by a coach is always a factor.
Another factor that played into the Michigan and OSU losses was extrinsic.
The teams were out of their element. Warm weather and TV change the nature of the game. Play those same games in the cold without TV timeouts and you might get a completely different result.
This is as lame an excuse as you can come up with. OSU plays plenty of games in warm weather. Why was this not a factor in the 90 degree heat of Texas?
TV slows the game. A running game depends on wearing down the other team. Run play after play after play and the other team's defense gets tired. Give that team a 2-3 minute commerical break every couple of plays and it changes the tempo of the game.
They played how many nationally televised games this year. This a factor for both teams. Another bad excuse.
That same tempo favors passing teams. Much easier to move players in and out, change formations, and set up more complicated plays with those regular breaks.
Neither team was running a hurry-up offense. There is always plenty of time to shuffle in players.
Warm weather also favors passing at the expense of the running game.
Once again the same lame excuse. How many running plays did OSU run in the first half? You can't run the ball unless you have the ball.
Other things to consider:
The longer break for OSU and Mich.
Can be an advantage
USC's home field advantage.
Irrelevant to this discussion about OSU
Heisman distraction.
Awww. Poor baby, now you are calling in the Heisman curse.
The psychological damage that Michigan's loss played on OSU.
ARE YOU KIDDING. Your arch-rival getting there arse handed to them rarely causes psychological damage. This is just another weak excuse.
Over-confidence.
HUGE FACTOR. The only one you have gotten right.
Fear.
Fear and over confident. If you are scared of winning then you don't belong in the game.
Of course, you can also reject all of these thoughts, call me some names, announce that the SEC is an inherently better conference and that the pre-bowl, season long, rankings were nothing but an east coast conspiracy to favor the Big Ten; and then go back to debating more serious issues like which Lite beer tastes better: Bud or Miller.
I don't drink light beers.
It is just amazing how many excuses you can come up with without admitting that they were both out-played and out-coached.
How about this.
The Florida lines, defensive and offensive, dominated the game. The fact that they could snap directly to Tevow in the shotgun and still get 6 to 8 yards a pop shows how much the offensive line dominated OSU defensive line. That and the fact that OSU rarely pressured Leak. When they did pressure Leak he did the smart thing and threw the ball away.
By the same token, the Florida defense was stifling. The only heat that was a factor was the heat of the d swarming all over Smith or whomever had the ball.
You just keep right on thinking that all of the above were factors and making excuses for losses. That is fine with the rest of the country.
And speaking of beer, don't let your tears water yours down too much.