10 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinI agree with a lot of this, but a main reason that OSU didn't pressure Leak much is that Florida didn't try to throw downfield much (if at all). It seems they were throwing wide receiver screens and short slants over the middle all day.
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10 Jan 07
Originally posted by Red NightGMC as a matter of fact. And I haven't lived in Florida since Tivo was in grade school.
The player's name is Tebow. He's a pretty popular guy down here; went to Nease High School right around the corner.
What's kind of a pick up truck do you drive, Ford or GMC?
However, none of that changes the fact that I am right and you make excuses when your teams get spanked.
10 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinI'm not making excuses. You're confusing me with someone else. Florida beat OSU, badly.
GMC as a matter of fact. And I haven't lived in Florida since Tivo was in grade school.
However, none of that changes the fact that I am right and you make excuses when your teams get spanked.
The point I AM debating is the argument that the SEC is THAT much better than the Big Ten. I watched the Gators this year. They barely beat Tennessee, South Carolina, and Florida State.
Based on Florida's record, the logic of the Big Ten Bashers, and the final score of the Championship game every team in the SEC should have been able to beat OSU and therefore also beat every other team in the Big Ten. Of course, that didn't happen in the other two SEC vs. Big Ten bowl games.
OSU and Michigan have a history of losing Bowl games where they are favored. More often than not those losses came in Home games for USC or UCLA.
I was presenting some thoughts on why that happens. Obviously, I knew that wasn't going to have much appeal with the typical beer guzzling, pick-up truck driving, "we kicked their butt" football fan; like yourelf.
If I wanted to read about dominance on the line of scrimmage I would go to ESPN. I'm sure they are talking about it plenty. I really wanted to look deeper into why that happened. Because, protestations from the Big Ten bashers aside, there was nothing in the record of either team that would have suggested to an intelligent observer that the game would be so lop-sided.
I'm not an OSU fan and I bet on Florida. I made that bet after I saw the Michigan collapse. It was based largely on a history of Big Ten collapses and the factors I discussed above and NOT on some cro-magnon belief in the superiority of the SEC.
10 Jan 07
Originally posted by Red NightPlease find the post where I said the SEC was better than the Big 10. I said USC was better than Michigan and Florida was better than OSU.
I'm not making excuses. You're confusing me with someone else. Florida beat OSU, badly.
The point I AM debating is the argument that the SEC is THAT much better than the Big Ten. I watched the Gators this year. They barely beat Tennessee, South Carolina, and Florida State.
Based on Florida's record, the logic of the Big Ten Bashers, and the final ...[text shortened]... tors I discussed above and NOT on some cro-magnon belief in the superiority of the SEC.
The only comments that I made about the not-so-big 10 was in response to the "Big 10 is better than all these other conferences" comments made by Falco.
So find the post I made saying the SEC was better than the Big 10.
10 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinAgain you are confusing me with people who dig through old posts debating minutiae. Maybe defrauder can help you with that.
Please find the post where I said the SEC was better than the Big 10. I said USC was better than Michigan and Florida was better than OSU.
The only comments that I made about the not-so-big 10 was in response to the "Big 10 is better than all these other conferences" comments made by Falco.
So find the post I made saying the SEC was better than the Big 10.
My points were more general and addressed to a broader audience. You chose to respond and I took the time to explain myself further for your benefit. In no way was that explanation directed at specific posts of yours.
10 Jan 07
Excuse:
The teams were out of their element. Warm weather and TV change the nature of the game. Play those same games in the cold without TV timeouts and you might get a completely different result.
Excuse:
TV slows the game. A running game depends on wearing down the other team. Run play after play after play and the other team's defense gets tired. Give that team a 2-3 minute commerical break every couple of plays and it changes the tempo of the game.
Excuse:
The longer break for OSU and Mich.
Really Lame Excuse:
The psychological damage that Michigan's loss played on OSU.
Excuse:
Over-confidence.
Excuse:
Fear
No, you weren't making any excuses. How could I have made that mistake.
10 Jan 07
Originally posted by Red NightYeah, you aren't one of those types to let facts get in the way.
Again you are confusing me with people who dig through old posts debating minutiae. Maybe defrauder can help you with that.
My points were more general and addressed to a broader audience. You chose to respond and I took the time to explain myself further for your benefit. In no way was that explanation directed at specific posts of yours.
10 Jan 07
Originally posted by kirksey957Well thats because whodey went to the game. What a disgrace. It was so bad I left before the 4rth quarter began. I should have left the game as soon as Tressel went for it on 4rth down on their own 29. Whats up with that? Does any one understand this move? I don't care how bad you are loosing, you simply don't do that in that situation. He said he did it because he believed in his players ability to get the first down, but I say it was because he had no faith in his defense. What a joke. It is almost as if they had no game plan going into the game and made no adjustements during the game and the players did not so much as show up to play the game. You know, a lot of people went to a lot of time and trouble and expense to go to such an event just so they could show up and watch them stink up the field. All I can say is NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!! That's the last bowl game I ever attend.
Has anybody checked on Whodey? I thought he might want to add to the first post of this thread.
10 Jan 07
Originally posted by whodeyI was reading a recent editorial in the Louisville paper. Their coach, a very popular coach, just resign to go to the Atlanta Falcons. Some people are very upset that he is doing that. They somehow feel he is abandoning them for more money. But the writer made a good point when he said that universities exist not to attract football coaches or to have winning sports programs. Universities exist to provide an education. Take heart.
Well thats because whodey went to the game. What a disgrace. It was so bad I left before the 4rth quarter began. I should have left the game as soon as Tressel went for it on 4rth down on their own 29. Whats up with that? Does any one understand this move? I don't care how bad you are loosing, you simply don't do that in that situation. He said he did ...[text shortened]... up the field. All I can say is NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!! That's the last bowl game I ever attend.
10 Jan 07
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Originally posted by kirksey957I hear ya. Sometimes we take sports a little to seriously don't we. I suppose I would not be as upset had I not gone all the way down to that God forsaken dust bowl to watch coach Tressel and his staff and his players take a vacation. I understand loosing kirksey, but not like that. I think the players and coaches should have some accountability to the fans that they did not seem to have this last game.
I was reading a recent editorial in the Louisville paper. Their coach, a very popular coach, just resign to go to the Atlanta Falcons. Some people are very upset that he is doing that. They somehow feel he is abandoning them for more money. But the writer made a good point when he said that universities exist not to attract football coaches or to have winning sports programs. Universities exist to provide an education. Take heart.
10 Jan 07
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Originally posted by whodeyI make no claims about understanding that decision, I'm just trying to find a way to explain it.
...I should have left the game as soon as Tressel went for it on 4rth down on their own 29. Whats up with that? Does any one understand this move? I don't care how bad you are loosing, you simply don't do that in that situation. He said he did it because he believed in his players ability to get the first down, but I say it was because he had no faith in his defense.....
I can understand Tressel's stated claim of wanting to show "confidence" in his offense by giving them a chance to get the one yard they needed. (It sure looks bad when it doesn't work, though).
With about 3 minutes to go in the half, maybe he was thinking:
1) If we punt, and Florida drives 60 or 70 yards to score in the last 3 minutes, this game is truly over.
2) If we go for it and don't make it, yes, Florida has a short field, but if they do score quickly (well within the realm of possibility), we still might get another shot with a minute or so left in the half (as it happened, the Gators used almost the whole clock to score, leaving OSU with almost no time left).
3) If we go for it and make it, we keep Florida's offense off the field for the rest of the half (knowing the Gators would receive to start the 2nd half), and maybe we can come out of the first half with a score of some kind.
Maybe he was afraid of the worst case scenario, whereby Florida would put together a 60 or 70 yard drive after a punt and still score...he probably thought that would be totally devastating to his team, and probably thought that it was entirely possible that Florida could in fact do just that, given the way the Gators were playing up to that point.
Again, I'm not justifying his decision. I also disagreed with it at the time... I'm just trying to figure out the thought process.
But I think you're right, he had no faith in his defense (and who can blame him?)
Or, maybe it was just a hunch.
I guess, fortunately for Tressel, he won't have to spend the rest of his life explaining the decision, as the game turned out to be no contest anyway.
Had OSU mounted a 2nd half comeback and fallen just short, he'd have to go on explaining that decision for a long, long time.