24 Jul 22
@kevin-eleven saidIt has been all over the net why it is not a federal constitutional matter. It just is not. Makes sense, because the Framers told the states , scattered all over with different needs and cultures, (cowboys in the Dakotas, lobster fishermen in the eastern states) to deal with their particular states' societal (etc) developments. They could hardly make sweeping laws that equally affect 330M people. New Englanders don't give a hoot about barbed wire problems! Anyway, It is all in the said Constitution. They said that. The Framers. Discussion resolved.
Why would it be wrong for this to be a federal matter rather than a states' rights matter,
but not wrong for it to be a states' rights matter rather than an individual matter?
Your second question,,,Why not ask me if 'individuals' in a state should be able to do anything they want to regardless of its impact on the other millions in their state? Are you saying that no laws regarding individuals, and all which that comprises and entails, should be made by a legislature? What other areas in society should the legislature keep their noses out of?????? This may be a good discussion, but you would have to rephrase this question with a more realistic premise.
24 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 saidYou're already labeling potential rape victims as "loose college girls" in order to defend abortion. This is victim blaming. You're promoting rape culture.
many loose college girls will be screaming rape to get an abortion
24 Jul 22
@zahlanzi saidYou write about religion. I see no answer there ...Did I mention religion.? Are you angry, did I make you angry? Geez, just a bit of typing.
"So, that it is moral to abort a baby?"
fetus, not baby. and yes, it is moral. Just like it is moral to not imprison me without cause or not force me to donate a kidney to a cousin. What one does with one's body is nobody;'s business.
I don't give a flying fuk you think your religion says life begins at conception (it doesn't even say that). You have no right to impose y ...[text shortened]... emise. You will not."
You have been answered before. Plenty of times. You just ignored the answer.
OK, say fetus if you want to, but if the birthed zygote on the table is a baby, so is his twin in the womb. I hate it for you ....maybe you DO have cause to be angry, I just don't know. And how do you know 'nobody ever did that'. You don't . And be big about this premise....... What if someone DID DO that...Do you think that that would be OK, given your pro-abortion stance?
I dont get your 2nd para? Why do you think Fed should be involved in everything. They in fact removed themselves from this abortion matter. So, since they are not in it, that leaves the state to "FORCE" all this stuff that you impute to be forced. You see, if someone wants abortions to occur in the hospital next to my office, I would vote against it. Can you force me to not have a say in it, since it has my state involved in it? Do you think it is right for you to block me at the voting precinct? Block Everybody? So, YOU decide about the woman aborting a fetus/baby??
Rest easy, though, you libs will prevail in the end. You really will. A strong group, you lot.
24 Jul 22
@vivify saidVictim blaming? what in the hell.....
You're already labeling potential rape victims as "loose college girls" in order to defend abortion. This is victim blaming. You're promoting rape culture.
I don't know what that means, but it seems personal, directed at me personally. OK, I'll play. I blamed a certain culture as possibly getting pregnant and falsifying rape. Note as a lib, you are off issue. I am not the issue.
Vivify, I say college girl because a person seeking an abortion, lying that she was raped, was NOT raped., for purposes of this thread,... she was NOT raped. I'm not blaming the girl as a 'victim'. But rather, a typical girl trying to get an abortion for being stupid.
You fellers do not know what an issue is. So personal...geez.
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24 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 said''....You see if someone wants abortions to occur
You write about religion. I see no answer there ...Did I mention religion.? Are you angry, did I make you angry? Geez, just a bit of typing.
OK, say fetus if you want to, but if the birthed zygote on the table is a baby, so is his twin in the womb. I hate it for you ....maybe you DO have cause to be angry, I just don't know. And how do you know 'nobody ever did ...[text shortened]... Rest easy, though, you libs will prevail in the end. You really will. A strong group, you lot.
in the hospital next to my office, I would vote against it..........''
Why would you get a vote in it at all?
That doesn't sound like someone that constantly states,
''We just wanna' be left alone.''
You can't have it both ways, or is it just hypocrisy?
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24 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 saidThe more verbiage you splutter, the less it seems you have a solid rebuttal. 😉
It has been all over the net why it is not a federal constitutional matter. It just is not. Makes sense, because the Framers told the states , scattered all over with different needs and cultures, (cowboys in the Dakotas, lobster fishermen in the eastern states) to deal with their particular states' societal (etc) developments. They could hardly make sweeping laws that ...[text shortened]... ay be a good discussion, but you would have to rephrase this question with a more realistic premise.
24 Jul 22
@jimm619 saidYou should include No.1 in this question. His cop out answer would be "elected officials blah blah".
''....You see if someone wants abortions to occur
in the hospital next to my office, I would vote against it..........''
Why would you get a vote in it at all?
That doesn't sound like someone that constantly states,
''We just wanna' be left alone.''
You can't have it both ways, or is it just hypocrisy?
I would agree there are many rights that should be safe beyond the whims of the average voter. The right to life is the grand daddy of all rights upon which other rights are based, freedom of expression and the right to own the means of self defence are two obvious ones, the right to not have what you have created be plundered by a gang just because the comprise 50.1% of the voting public is another.
You do realise what the abortion debate is about don't you, it's about the grand daddy of rights, i.e. the right to life. A lot of god botherers believe it starts at conception. I don't, and my cop out answer used to be if it's inside the woman it's nothing more than a parasitical maggot (shag doody, suzi and kev) but when you get into the mechanics of a late term abortion it gets a bit messy. So we have the extremists like shag doody, suzi, kev, vivify (and y'self? ) advocating for carving up brains, limbs, hearts and wanting people totally opposed to that to support it through taxation (No.1 is in this category) you can see why some are very adamant.
I put it to you that the late term fetus butchers are driving a backlash.
24 Jul 22
@wajoma saidNo one is talking about "late term" abortions. This is about a 10 yr old who had to drive across state lines to terminate a pregnancy because she was raped; and the state she had the procedure in just announced an abortion ban yesterday.
You should include No.1 in this question. His cop out answer would be "elected officials blah blah".
I would agree there are many rights that should be safe beyond the whims of the average voter. The right to life is the grand daddy of all rights upon which other rights are based, freedom of expression and the right to own the means of self defence are two obvious ones, t ...[text shortened]... some are very adamant.
I put it to you that the late term fetus butchers are driving a backlash.
Imagine if that happened in Texas, where you can't even get an abortion for rape.
You're making up garbage because that's what your beliefs are.
24 Jul 22
@vivify saidYou missed the last sentence of my post.
No one is talking about "late term" abortions. This is about a 10 yr old who had to drive across state lines to terminate a pregnancy because she was raped; and the state she had the procedure in just announced an abortion ban yesterday.
Imagine if that happened in Texas, where you can't even get an abortion for rape.
You're making up garbage because that's what your beliefs are.
As for crossing state lines the whole issue boils down to proximity of abortion clinics, they're still there, some with open welcoming arms, get on a plane and go there, nowhere in the US is more than a day away, no passport, no visa.
24 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 saidA "typical girl" being "stupid", huh?
Vivify, I say college girl because a person seeking an abortion, lying that she was raped, was NOT raped., for purposes of this thread,... she was NOT raped. I'm not blaming the girl as a 'victim'. But rather, a typical girl trying to get an abortion for being stupid.
You fellers do not know what an issue is. So personal...geez.
So if an actual rape victim comes along how will you know whether she was a "real" victim or a "typical girl"?
24 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 saidJust saying something does not "make it so". I wish you Trump idiots would figure that one out. Trump is not the big brain in the room. He's just a liar.
It has been all over the net why it is not a federal constitutional matter. It just is not. Makes sense, because the Framers told the states , scattered all over with different needs and cultures, (cowboys in the Dakotas, lobster fishermen in the eastern states) to deal with their particular states' societal (etc) developments. They could hardly make sweeping laws that ...[text shortened]... ay be a good discussion, but you would have to rephrase this question with a more realistic premise.
24 Jul 22
@wajoma saidThat's okay if you're white. This is what white privilege means. You don't see it through the eyes of a PoC because you're not a PoC. Furthermore, you don't even care to see it through their eyes. You seem to think they have the same exact opportunities you have.
You missed the last sentence of my post.
As for crossing state lines the whole issue boils down to proximity of abortion clinics, they're still there, some with open welcoming arms, get on a plane and go there, nowhere in the US is more than a day away, no passport, no visa.
A lot of blacks have minimum wage jobs where if you miss a day, they usually have a taskmaster like you to fire them.
24 Jul 22
@averagejoe1 saidOf course it's directed at you. You do it all the time.
Victim blaming? what in the hell.....
I don't know what that means, but it seems personal, directed at me personally. OK, I'll play. I blamed a certain culture as possibly getting pregnant and falsifying rape. Note as a lib, you are off issue. I am not the issue.
Vivify, I say college girl because a person seeking an abortion, lying that she was raped, was N ...[text shortened]... get an abortion for being stupid.
You fellers do not know what an issue is. So personal...geez.
24 Jul 22
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@vivify saidIt comes with the territory.
You're already labeling potential rape victims as "loose college girls" in order to defend abortion. This is victim blaming. You're promoting rape culture.
He has said in the past that everyone who gets pregnant made a decision to get pregnant.