09 Jul 08
Originally posted by JigtieWhat's so hard to understand jigjig? Someone says he's out to kill you, sometime. Wouldn't you want to be able to get a gun in a hurry?
Riiiight. So the thug won't wait a year for you to get your license, but
would wait for you to get a gun when you need it?
In a hurry, of course.
Sounds plausible enough. 🙄
There are many senarios. Try to think of one jiggy. If he already has a gun and you could simply call the Police....hahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!
GRANNY.
09 Jul 08
Originally posted by smw68691) No one's ever said they wanted to kill me, and I've frankly only ever
What's so hard to understand jigjig? Someone says he's out to kill you, sometime. Wouldn't you want to be able to get a gun in a hurry?
There are many senarios. Try to think of one jiggy. If he already has a gun and you could simply call the Police....hahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!
GRANNY.
felt threatened a few times in my entire adult life. Not once have I had a
gun to my face. Such an event might change my perspective on
things, I guess.
2) I don't think you'll have time to go fetch the gun when it matters
really. You either need to carry it with you and be a fast drawer when the
crap hits the fan, or you're out.
3) I don't spend my time worrying about what might be. I'm gonna
die sooner or later anyway, so worrying about how that's going to happen
serves no purpose other than to make me anxious and unable to enjoy
my days.
4) Having said all that, I guess I can see how it would at least feel
a little more comfortable; a little more safe, having the gun when
needed. You wouldn't want to get shot by your attacker after he missed
the first shot, simply because you didn't have a gun of your own. Then
again, running wouldn't be a bad choice either I guess.
5) Whereas you may want a gun, I think I would actually harm myself
more than the attacker. I have absolutely no idea how to handle a gun.
And I'm happy about that.
09 Jul 08
Originally posted by JigtieAfter leaving the military i never wanted to see, let alone, own a gun ever for the rest of my life, but America has changed with the influx of drugs and gang wars and just miserable thugs who would kill you for your loose change. I lived in an "All American City" city when i was a kid. It was "Happy Days." Today it's the major hub for drug traffic in the North East. Last year there was a shoot out infront of my mother's house while i was visiting. I had my gun with me. I called the police and waited, in the dark, to see if the thugs were going to break in. I didn't go outside and try to be a hero. This crap goes on all the time. I WILL NEVER GIVE IN TO THE THUGS. I"M NOT LEAVING TOWN. I WILL PROTECT MY FAMILY AT ALL COSTS. I own a gun, not to increase the length of my penis, but to increase the length of my families life and mine. You may do as you like.
1) No one's ever said they wanted to kill me, and I've frankly only ever
felt threatened a few times in my entire adult life. Not once have I had a
gun to my face. Such an event might change my perspective on
things, I guess.
2) I don't think you'll have time to go fetch the gun when it matters
really. You either need to carry it with you an ...[text shortened]... attacker. I have absolutely no idea how to handle a gun.
And I'm happy about that.
GRANNY.
09 Jul 08
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Originally posted by smw6869I understand the sentiment fully, and I'm sorry to hear about the situation
I own a gun, not to increase the length of my penis, but to increase the length of my families life and mine.
over there. I'm not convinced that owning a gun will help the situation
much. Maybe the problem is due to causes that can be dealt with
differently?
But I see what you're saying, and I'm not going to push this any further
now. My hopes you won't have to use that gun of yours, and that you and
your family will be unharmed now and in the future.
Cheers to that.
09 Jul 08
Americans see a gun as a human right. Most of the world don´t but that doesn´t change the fact that to Americans it is. As far as I can tell, anybody wishing to take away their guns isn´t upsetting people because they will miss their guns (though I´m sure many would) but that a fundamental human right is being eroded. I can see why many people might and indeed, should object to that even if I have absolutely no idea why they think owning a gun makes them safer.
10 Jul 08
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Originally posted by WheelyYou are totally right, it is the fact that a right is being taken away that bothers us Americans that own guns.
Americans see a gun as a human right. Most of the world don´t but that doesn´t change the fact that to Americans it is. As far as I can tell, anybody wishing to take away their guns isn´t upsetting people because they will miss their guns (though I´m sure many would) but that a fundamental human right is being eroded. I can see why many people might and in ...[text shortened]... d object to that even if I have absolutely no idea why they think owning a gun makes them safer.
Owning a gun is not what makes us safer, WE, and knowing how to use that gun and when, are what makes us safer. Owning one only somewhat deters the criminal IF he knows we own one(or some). The gun itself does not do anything, it is a tool.
10 Jul 08
Originally posted by karnachzWhat dasis do I have? Well, the Bible.
And what basis do you have for believing the Lord wants you to be subservient?
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
10 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaShould we be silent to the animals since they were created first?
What dasis do I have? Well, the Bible.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 ...[text shortened]... thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
10 Jul 08
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Originally posted by duecerDo you really believe that God would go against his word and call someone to pastoral leadership when He has said they are not to be? That would be making him a lier. However, he is not and therefore, will not go against what he has put forth as order.
one of the best pastor's I ever had was a woman. She was truly called by God to pastoral leadership, the evidence was clear (by their fruits ye shall know them)
10 Jul 08
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Originally posted by kirksey957We were to rule over the animals. Do you not read the Bible?
Should we be silent to the animals since they were created first?
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
10 Jul 08
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Originally posted by pritybettaHow can we rule over them if they were created first? You used the often used example that women must be in subjection to men as they were created second. Isn't it true that arguing who was created first is simply a lame ass excuse to justify a rather odd position?
We were to rule over the animals. Do you not read the Bible?
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over ...[text shortened]... th upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
10 Jul 08
Originally posted by smw6869You actually said something complete lucid, with zero bad puns, poor analogies or un-fuuny bon mots. And you are absolutely right. See what you can do when you are direct and succinct, as opposed to sarcastic and aloof?
After leaving the military i never wanted to see, let alone, own a gun ever for the rest of my life, but America has changed with the influx of drugs and gang wars and just miserable thugs who would kill you for your loose change. I lived in an "All American City" city when i was a kid. It was "Happy Days." Today it's the major hub for drug traffic in the No ...[text shortened]... to increase the length of my families life and mine. You may do as you like.
GRANNY.
10 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaThe Bible is the word of God, not the words of God. They are a collection of writings written by people they are flavored with the cultural prejudices of the time they were written in, and should be viewed in that light. We all know that humans fail God all the time, and in this case, it is no different. I would suggest you read the book "Misqouting Jesus" It will open your eyes to the falsehoods you have been taught.
Do you really believe that God would go against his word and call someone to pastoral leadership when He has said they are not to be? That would be making him a lier. However, he is not and therefore, will not go against what he has put forth as order.
To all that would prefer this be in debates, I don't have the ability to move the thread...sorry.