11 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettabrita, I usually agree with you, but the Ephesians passage has always given me pause. After all, it was Paul (not Jesus), who said for wives to obey their husbands. I think it's a reflection of the roles women had in those days. BUT...
What dasis do I have? Well, the Bible.
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 ...[text shortened]... thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
you seem quite content and sincere in your beliefs, and it is wrong for anyone to try and change your faith and the tenets you hold true. And it's unconscionable to demean you for them. I wonder why Christians are usually the ones called intolerant, when right here, a bunch of atheists want to deny you your right to your pursuit of happiness, just because you choose a way they find repulsive.
11 Jul 08
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brita, I usually agree with you, but the Ephesians passage has always given me pause. After all, it was Paul (not Jesus), who said for wives to obey their husbands. I think it's a reflection of the roles women had in those days. BUT...
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12 Jul 08
Originally posted by pritybettaI think Jesus was absolutely right to ignore the Taliban-style religious laws promoted by the conservative religious government and institutions at the time. Another example is when Jesus hugged sex workers, contrary to religious custom.
So you think Jesus broke the law when he healed on the Sabbath, or his apostles when they picked corn on the Sabbath? The law about the Sabbath was a shadow of our rest in Christ. It was explainning that we will not be doing work when we are resting in Christ because we would have no need to do so.
Your interpretation is, of course, a far more reasonable one than what the Bible actually says. Exodus 35:2 states in no uncertain terms that working on the Sabbath is a "sin punishable by death". There's a clear admonition to use force and violence -- indeed, lethal violence -- against anyone who transgresses this religious custom.
My point is that the Bible clearly says some things that are patently wrong, so how can we rely on its literal meaning always being right? The Bible says in passing that women should be subordinate and that same-sex relations are wrong, but how do we know that these statements aren't wrong, as Exodus 35:2 is wrong?