Debates
26 Sep 04
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeI'd like to respond to this, but you haven't presented any arguments. Interesting debate strategy! Normally, when people debate, each side presents arguments to which the other side then responds. You seem to think that repeating a libelous accusation suffices as evidence. How weird!
BBarr: "Interesting argument. So, because Cribs' forum is called "Forum Wars" its mere existence consitutes an attack on RHP? How silly!"
Indeed very silly. I didn't say this.
I don't buy your babblings. You knew what Russ was talking about.
Anyway, I'm sure you'll come to realize that you ought not throw around accusations like this unless you have evidence. That's not how adults conduct their affairs, and that's not conducive to a healthy community. You are better than that, Ivanhoe, we both know that. 🙂
Cheers!
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeNo one can guarentee anything, it is the bliss and the curse of debate forums that some of the social rules of face to face debating does not apply.
I know your position Scheel.
Can you garantee that they will not disrupt the threads I, or someone else with which they disagree, will be opening in the future by lame Haikus, insults and other degrading remarks ?
... or are you suggesting just to accept their bullying ?
In face to face debate I can ask people to stay on track or as a brief sidestep alow them to explore a certain line of argumentation before returning to the main subject.
In face to face debate I can ask people to keep their voice down or alow me to speak from time to time.
In face to face debate I can ask people to follow certain rules if they want to debate me.
In a wider forum of face to face debate, those with strongly deviating views will sooner or later be forced to shut up because people ignores them.
This means that you usualy end up debating with people who adhere to some of the same standards as your self.
In debate forums its very much different.
Some of the views presented by people at this site (that might include you some times) would in dayly life make me shake my head and turn my back on them. Some of the views would make me extremely angry.
You can not to the same degree expect people to obey the social rules. This means that there tend to be more ridicule and sharper oppinions (and I have to admit that I sometimes feel tempted to be meaner than I would be if I was siting in front of people ), but it also means that the vararity of oppinions aired are wider.
In general I think that people behaves rather well here, also your select group of favorit enemies. Debates may get a bit rough from time to time, but you seem to prefer controversial subjects so what did you expect ?
This is the fact of life on the net, anonymity changes our sence of responsibility, we have less concern for the feelings of our opponent. Take it as a man, but don't take it personaly.
So again my advise would be to stop quoting and start posting.
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ScheelScheel,
No one can guarentee anything, it is the bliss and the curse of debate forums that some of the social rules of face to face debating does not apply...
I word of advice to you:
Stop disagreeing with Ivanhoe and showing him rational paths. You'll only get inducted into the WolfPack.
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ScheelWell said.
No one can guarentee anything, it is the bliss and the curse of debate forums that some of the social rules of face to face debating does not apply.
In face to face debate I can ask people to stay on track or as a brief sidestep alow them to explore a certain line of argumentation before returning to the main subject.
In face to face debate I can ask peop ...[text shortened]... don't take it personaly.
So again my advise would be to stop quoting and start posting.
Cheers!
27 Sep 04
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Originally posted by ivanhoeA suggestion, if I may. Seeing as how you were 100% in support of the mods and the admins during the banning of Cribs fiasco (what I like to call "the time of the troubles" ), perhaps you could find your faith in them once again to 'moderate' the posts of this 'so called' wolfpack? It seems to me that this is their job and not yours.
BBarr: "Interesting argument. So, because Cribs' forum is called "Forum Wars" its mere existence consitutes an attack on RHP? How silly!"
Indeed very silly. I didn't say this.
I don't buy your babblings. You knew what Russ was talking about.
In any case, I fully support your right to continue freaking out, calling names, making false and/or misleading accusations and to bully the bullies. However, if you are looking to decrease your work load you might consider my suggestion and leave it to the mods to worry about. Otherwise, keep up your entertaining pursuit...I will be watching. 🙂
TheSkipper
27 Sep 04
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Originally posted by no1marauderApology accepted. Does anybody else want to apologize?
I wish to apologize to the readers of the Debates Forum tonight. I let my anger lead me to a pretty pointless bickering with someone who's not worthy of a response. It is true that I have been greatly provoked compared to a Na ...[text shortened]... her users of the Debates Forum. Thank you.
no1Marauder
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by UberWolfenFuehrerVery simple:
Why such posts ?
I don't want Scheel to suffer the indignity of being called a conspirator, traitor, scum or Nazi.
You have demonstrated a very free lip with such terms, irrespective of the quality of evidence, and I don't know whether or not Scheel has the 'thick skin' that the other members of the so-called WolfPack have.
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by nemesioHave no fear. My rational views and kind manners will not be affected by being or not being affiliated with said evil brotherhood of posters 😉
Scheel,
I word of advice to you:
Stop disagreeing with Ivanhoe and showing him rational paths. You'll only get inducted into the WolfPack.
Nemesio
On a more serious note, I'm not sure that I'm in disagreement with Ivanhoe here (I'll leave that to Ivanhoe to decide about). I think I'm just being dull and offering a second view that does not leave some more righteous than others.
Further I can asure you that you need not worry about the thickness of my skin, it is indeed very thick, but so far I havn't had the need for it to be as people, including Ivanhoe, have spoken kindly to me.
27 Sep 04
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Originally posted by Scheelwell i'm in agreement with ivanhoe.
I'm not sure that I'm in disagreement with Ivanhoe here
i think he has accurately demonstrated the wolfpack phenomenon to the site.
typically, a group of attackers converging on their victim - but when that victim fights back the wolves start howling in moral indignation.
fortunately, ivanhoe has far more stamina and integrity than those who have been badgering him.
i would be around to agree a lot more, but i don't have time right now since i am still on vacation.
in friendship,
prad
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeTrue, we have young people on the site, but shouldn't we adults behave as adults? You know, the whole good role model thing?
I'm sorry, but this site is not just for adults.
Elvendreamgirl: "If you disagree with someone, disagree politely, or go elsewhere for you chat. I am not saying don't have a heated discussion, be for god's sakes, try to behave in a mature fashion."
Now elevendreamgirl that's EXACTLY what I'm trying to communicate with these people, the BBarr-Cri ...[text shortened]... support from other people like you. Please don't protect the bullies. Stand up against them.
WHat Mom and Dad told us its true. The best way to get back at a bully is to ignore him.
I know that I am guilty of not behaving appropriately at times, but I do try to be polite to people. I try to apologize when I am wrong as well.
I guess what I am tryiong to say is that so many people here at rhop are so tired of going into a thread and seeing the same thing being said over and over. Some times it is best just to walk away, isn't it?
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by pradtfPrad returns.
well i'm in agreement with ivanhoe.
i think he has accurately demonstrated the wolfpack phenomenon to the site.
I'd ask you two questions, one of clarification and one of methodology.
1) By the quoted statement, do you mean that Ivanhoe has demonstrated what it is to be a member of the WolfPack by his recent outbreak (in which he was verbally abusive) or he has demonstrated that there is a concerted effort on the part of some members to 'harrass, ridicule, or degrade' other members?
2) Was Ivanhoe's alledged methodology of giving the WolfPack 'a taste of its own medicine' by being verbally abusive a good use of the forums?
Nemesio
P.S. You wrote, '...but when that victim fights back the wolves start howling in moral indignation.'
Who was howling in moral indignation, Prad?