Debates
26 Sep 04
27 Sep 04
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Originally posted by elvendreamgirlElvendreamgirl: "The best way to get back at a bully is to ignore him."
True, we have young people on the site, but shouldn't we adults behave as adults? You know, the whole good role model thing?
WHat Mom and Dad told us its true. The best way to get back at a bully is to ignore him.
I know that ...[text shortened]... over and over. Some times it is best just to walk away, isn't it?
You can do this for a while, but after that you have to stand up to them. They themselves admit to the fact they were driving me to the edge. Those are the bullying tactics I am trying to make clear to ALL OF you guys, ALL the debaters on RHP who are not part of the bullying Wolfpack. I even had to make insulting remarks(One of their favorite tactics) to the bullies to show you and others what is happening. Now you are rebuking me for making those remarks. In fact you are rebuking me for standing up against the bullies. I should have ignored them, you say.
I have been adressing this Wolfpack phenomenon for a long time now. After their latest degrading and insulting action I decided to act in such a way people could really see what I am talking about. I decided to give the bullies a sample, a powerfull and not to be misunderstood sample, of their own medicine. Now they are whining and howling in moral indignation of how evil I am to treat them in the way I did and now they are asking for apologies. Yes, I bullied them. I admit. I did it on purpose. Yes I did. I compaired some of them with the members of the SA gangs that roamed the streets of Nazi Germany to do the same intimidating and degrading actions the Wolfpack's members are doing here on this site.
Their methods are the same. They are driving people of the site, people who do not share their own liberal views on their interpretation of the Freedom of Speech issue, people who do not share their liberal stances on abortion and euthanasia, but are trying to communicate an alternative solution to human peoples problems.They want them out of the way.
I always try to be polite to people. I decided not to be polite to the bullies and look what happens. You are now rebuking me, instead of rebuking the pack of bullies, who drove me to do what I did.
I wished you supported my actions against the bullies instead of joining their side. Why did you join their side ? Probably because you agree with their liberal stances and you oppose my orthodox Roman Catholic views regarding the issues I mentioned. I hope you do not agree with their SA tactics or do you ?
Elvendreamgirl: " ...... Some times it is best just to walk away, isn't it?
Do you want me to leave the site ?
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou should be ashamed of yourself, distorting this well meant statement and turning it into that question.
Elvendreamgirl: " ...... Some times it is best just to walk away, isn't it?
Do you want me to leave the site ?
I doubt that you 'decided' anything. The tone of your postings is more an indication that your are being driven by uncontrolled feelings.
27 Sep 04
Ok. Ivanhoe. Did you read what you wrote?
Originally posted by ivanhoe
I even had to make insulting remarks...to the bullies to show you what is happening. Now you are rebuking me for making those remarks.
No. You didn't. You CHOSE to do so.
Originally posted by ivanhoe
They are driving people of the site, people who do not share their own liberal views on their interpretation of the Freedom of Speech issue, people who do not share their liberal stances on abortion and euthanasia, but are trying to communicate an alternative solution to human peoples problems.They want them out of the way.
Here's your problem, Ivanhoe. You simply cannot separate people arguing with your views from people who are insulting you. You really need to address this paranoia.
Originally posted by ivanhoe
You are now rebuking me, instead of rebuking the pack of bullies, who drove me to do what I did. I wished you supported my actions against the bullies instead of joining their side. Why did you join their side ? Probably because you agree with their liberal stances and you oppose my orthodox Roman Catholic views regarding the issues I mentioned.
She rebuked other people before, too, actually. Anyone who is insulting. She's not taking a side, but in your paranoia, you have tried to put her there. You were insulting, in her mind you are worthy of rebuke.
You are projecting on her views that she may or may not hold. You are attributing to her a 'side' which she may or may not be on. She may be deeply orthodox, or wildly liberal. But because she challenged your view, she's become 'the enemy' (i.e., on the 'their side'😉.
This is an illness, Ivanhoe. Really. You are not well. You are not seeing things clearly. I'm not talking about abortion or euthanasia. I'm talking about your degrading ability to see what people are saying. You're making accusation at 'cookie lady,' one of the least aggressive posters on the site (in my experience).
If you reflect on this, you will see that your anger and spite is distorting your views about what people are saying.
You need help. I mean this sincerely, like an intervention which people have for alcoholics or drug addicts.
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
I have been adressing this Wolfpack phenomenon for a long time now.
You're getting tiring with this ''Wolfpack'' thing:seems that you're the only one worried about it,since nobody comes in forums to agree with this personal crusade.
It has been a couple of months now,please use your debating skills for something worthy,everyone is bored about your rants.
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by RavelloI disagree. There are many people on this site who use badgering and insults to get their points across. I'd name a few, but I'd get flamed for it.
You're getting tiring with this ''Wolfpack'' thing:seems that you're the only one worried about it,since nobody comes in forums to agree with this personal crusade.
It has been a couple of months now,please use your debating skills for something worthy,everyone is bored about your rants.
However, I would not consider bbarr, RoyalChicken, you, and me as members of such a 'club.' Or Sarah, for that matter, though evidently she's 'joined the dark side.' (LOL)
Ivanhoe has demonstrated, by his outburst (which he claims was part of a big plan), that he is a member of such a 'club.' As a result, I have dubbed him the UberWolfenFuehrer.
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by nemesioYou disagree with the fact that he's become tiring or with the fact that no one joins his personal crusade?
I disagree. There are many people on this site who use badgering and insults to get their points across. I'd name a few, but I'd get flamed for it.
However, I would not consider bbarr, RoyalChicken, you, and me as members of such a 'club.' Or Sarah, for that matter, though evidently she's 'joined the dark side.' (LOL)
Ivanhoe has demonstra ...[text shortened]... s a member of such a 'club.' As a result, I have dubbed him the UberWolfenFuehrer.
Nemesio
Why do you say he's a member?he was only making us taste our own medicine.........😉
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by Mephisto2
You should be ashamed of yourself, distorting this well meant statement and turning it into that question.
I doubt that you 'decided' anything. The tone of your postings is more an indication that your are being driven by uncontrolled feelings.
My question was an honest question. In the given present situation it is to the point and relevant because I am thinking on indeed leaving the forums and maybe the site. That's why I asked the question. Maybe it is indeed better for me to just walk away.
I object to your trying to interprete my question in a negative way. I think Elvendreamgirl is perfectly capable of answering for herself. You don't have to show her how to interprete my questions.
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by RavelloI was very unclear; I apologize.
You disagree with the fact that he's become tiring or with the fact that no one joins his personal crusade?
Why do you say he's a member?he was only making us taste our own medicine.........😉
I disagree that there is no such thing as the WolfPack phenomenon; I do believe it exists. I do believe that there people on this site who try to 'win arguments' by being harassing, degrading and belittling.
I disagree with Ivanhoe, however, about who precisely IS in such a group of people, the so-called WolfPack. He would claim Bbarr, RoyalChicken, me, you, and a number of other people. He does so because some disagree with his Orthodox Roman Catholic views.
He does not appreciate, however, that when he posts anti-abortion or anti-euthanasia views in the debates forum, there are people who are deeply offended by them. People like Bbarr respond with their opposition, Ivanhoe calls them 'Culture of Death' and feels personally attacked. As a result of this perceived attack, he lumps them into the WolfPack.
He's a member because he demonstrated that he's perfectly comfortable using the degrading, belittling and especially harassing strategies he's argued against before.
Yes, he's tiring. I'm not sure that 'no one' has joined his personal crusade, but it's not a wide-spread concern like he likes to claim. In fact, there have been more posts by 'outside people' who have asked Ivanhoe to relax and get over it.
Of course, Ivanhoe now feels that they have just been tacit WolfPack members (see his comments to Sarah). I'm sure the Brother Edwin and Scheel are the next inductees, since they, too, expressed dismay and gentle opposition to Ivanhoe's crusade.
Welcome to the 'club!' 😕
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by nemesio
Ok. Ivanhoe. Did you read what you wrote?
Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]I even had to make insulting remarks...to the bullies to show you what is happening. Now you are rebuking me for making those remarks.
No. You didn't. You CHOSE to do so.
Originally posted by ivanhoe
They are driving people of the site, people who d ...[text shortened]... s sincerely, like an intervention which people have for alcoholics or drug addicts.
Nemesio
I object to the way you are trying to influence the way Elvendreamgirl should interprete my post. She is perfectly capable of doing that by herself.
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeHere we go. Here it is. The coup de grace: Threaten to leave the forums and the site!
In the given present situation it is to the point and relevant because I am thinking on indeed leaving the forums and maybe the site. That's why I asked the question. Maybe it is indeed better for me to just walk away.
He'll claim that bbarr et alia DROVE him to do it. It was out of his hands. He had no other choice. It's totally laughable.
I hope people realize this thinly veiled 'threat' for what it is. If Ivanhoe leaves the forums/site, it's of his own accord, his own volition, his own reasons, and his own choice.
In disgustedship,
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeYour objection is noted. I object to the fact that you objected to my opinion of your post.
I object to the way you are trying to influence the way Elvendreamgirl should interprete my post. She is perfectly capable of doing that by herself.
If you wish her to interpret it another way, perhaps you should reword it.
Nemesio
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoe"I wished you supported my actions against the bullies instead of joining their side..."
I object to the way you are trying to influence the way Elvendreamgirl should interprete my post. She is perfectly capable of doing that by herself.
There is no other interpretation of your post.
MÅ¥HÅRM
27 Sep 04
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Originally posted by nemesioNemesio,
Ok. Ivanhoe. Did you read what you wrote?
Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]I even had to make insulting remarks...to the bullies to show you what is happening. Now you are rebuking me for making those remarks.
No. You di ...[text shortened]... ion which people have for alcoholics or drug addicts.
Nemesio[/b]
Sometimes it is hard for me to decide how to react to your posts. They are mixture of accusations and negative interpretations of what I am doing. That's all right. You have a right to disagree and to criticise me. I also ctiticise you. So far so good.
However ..... I don't know what to say about your good advice to find help for the mental disorders you seem to detect in my personality. I wonder if you have any authority at all to diagnose me.
I wonder on what kind of study or ability you are basing your diagnosis and the ensuing advice. Are you a psychiatrist ? Where did you study to become one ?
I want to know the answers to these questions in order to be more capable of how to value your diagnosis and advice. I hope you'll understand.
27 Sep 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeIf you are asking if I have any formal training, then, no, I do not.
However ..... I don't know what to say about your good advice to find help for the mental disorders you seem to detect in my personality. I wonder if you have any authority at all to diagnose me.
If you are asking if I have studied psychology intimately, then, yes, I have.
If you are asking if I have 'diagnosed you,' then, no, I have not.
If you are asking if I believe you have a problem, then, yes, I do.
For the last question, my supporting arguments for such a belief are in my last few posts in this thread. I am genuinely concerned for you.
Nemesio